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Old Jul 30, 2003 | 03:35 PM
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Arrow LTX-12 and Tach compatiblity

My tach is fine till 5500 RPM but after that it goes to 9000 RPM and sits there till I let off. Car runs fine and has no problems, is there a fix for the tach or is it a 20B compatibilty issue?

On start up the car has to be reved for about 15 secs, is this normal?

Please advise...
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Old Jul 30, 2003 | 03:44 PM
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Is the tach accurate when it's under 5500?

As for the revving part, try adjusting your water temperature maps.

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Old Jul 30, 2003 | 06:15 PM
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yeah i have the dash display and the tach is accurate till about 5500

plz elaborate on why adjusting water temp maps would help cold starts
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Old Jul 30, 2003 | 06:38 PM
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Re: LTX-12 and Tach compatiblity

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My tach is fine till 5500 RPM but after that it goes to 9000 RPM and sits there till I let off. Car runs fine and has no problems, is there a fix for the tach or is it a 20B compatibilty issue?

On start up the car has to be reved for about 15 secs, is this normal?

Please advise...
you running premix or the oil metering pump?
still no word from anyone if the microtech will run the
20b's metering pump...
matt
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Old Jul 30, 2003 | 06:40 PM
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premix ofcourse
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Old Jul 30, 2003 | 10:10 PM
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gohorns: Fuelling requirements change with water temperature. If the maps are off, the car will stall when cold.

Are you running the tach off the trailing coil like stock or from the Microtech itself?

now: No, the LT will not run the 20B-REW's MOP.

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Old Jul 30, 2003 | 10:19 PM
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theoretically the e11 can output the right tach signal, hopefully in a few weeks i'll know fer sher

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Old Jul 30, 2003 | 10:22 PM
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And that has what, exactly, to do with the topic at hand?

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Old Jul 30, 2003 | 10:54 PM
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And that has what, exactly, to do with the topic at hand?

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that the stock tach will work with the 20b
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Old Jul 31, 2003 | 06:29 PM
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No7yet: the tach is hooked up stock like it should be.
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Old Aug 4, 2003 | 09:14 AM
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good to see the forum up and running again...so does anyone have a working tach using the LTX-12 on a 20B?
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Old Aug 4, 2003 | 11:07 AM
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if you have the tach hooked to the coils thats your problem. 20b = v6, 13b = 4cyl.

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Old Aug 4, 2003 | 01:02 PM
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what should the tach be hooked up to for it to work correctly? I had a professional mechanic with microtech exp do the install and he is telling me its a cmpatibility issue with the 20B.

anyone here have working tack up to 8000 rpm on a 20B using the LTX-12?
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Old Aug 5, 2003 | 04:01 PM
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Doesn't that LTX have an aux out to configure a tach output?
I know the Haltech could do it.


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Old Aug 5, 2003 | 04:24 PM
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if you have the tach hooked to the coils thats your problem. 20b = v6, 13b = 4cyl.

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I've always heard that the 13b =v6, and 20b = v8, but even that sounds odd to me, I don't think you can really compare pistons to rotors, it's like apples and oranges
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if you have the tach hooked to the coils thats your problem. 20b = v6, 13b = 4cyl.

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I've always heard that the 13b =v6, and 20b = v8, but even that sounds odd to me, I don't think you can really compare pistons to rotors, it's like apples and oranges
no, you can compare them, at least here. the 13b fires once every 180degrees just like a 4 cylinder. the 20b fires once every 120 degress just like a v6. so you have a v6 with a 4 cylinder tach hence the tach reading "fast"

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Old Aug 5, 2003 | 06:31 PM
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Doesn't that LTX have an aux out to configure a tach output?
I know the Haltech could do it.


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yes it does, but the signal is not the same format as the stock tach
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Old Aug 5, 2003 | 09:09 PM
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Hmmm...that's interesting.&nbso Most tach signals are pull-down square waves.&nbsp What exactly does the Microtech output as a tach signal?



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Old Aug 6, 2003 | 01:51 AM
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I've not had one on a scope, so I can't say for sure. The interesting bit is that the tach's accurate until 5500 whereupon it pegs and stops. This isn't your typical 20B-swap scaling error. I'll see if I can't dig up any info.

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Old Aug 6, 2003 | 02:42 PM
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gohorns: Fuelling requirements change with water temperature. If the maps are off, the car will stall when cold.

Are you running the tach off the trailing coil like stock or from the Microtech itself?

now: No, the LT will not run the 20B-REW's MOP.

Brandon
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Typicaly a rotory will need aprox 20-25% more fuel when the engine is around 30'c and about 10-15% more fuel at 45-55'c, and about 3-5% more fuel at 65-70'c, after that you can go to the normal map. This will vary depending on what kind of port you have, back pressure on the ex side etc....

This has nothing to do with your Tac problem, but I thought i'd throw it in there... I plan on just putting in a Apexi' 360' tac and pretty much not using any of the stock guages other than the fuel level and if I can find what I need from summit racing that will be discarded as well..
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Old Aug 7, 2003 | 11:06 PM
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micortech's tacho output is a square wave output, the problem is your factory tacho is for basically a 4cyl, the microtech running the 20b will be set as a 6cyl, dont think there is much you can do about it,

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Old Aug 7, 2003 | 11:17 PM
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Originally posted by 10sec rx7
micortech's tacho output is a square wave output, the problem is your factory tacho is for basically a 4cyl, the microtech running the 20b will be set as a 6cyl, dont think there is much you can do about it,

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http://members.tripod.com/~grannys/rx7tachrecal.html
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Thanks for the link Evil! I knew the RX-7 Manglers were good for something
LOL

Like my friend says, "Even blind squirrels find nuts once in a while".

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Originally posted by 10sec rx7
micortech's tacho output is a square wave output, the problem is your factory tacho is for basically a 4cyl, the microtech running the 20b will be set as a 6cyl, dont think there is much you can do about it,
Not a problem for an FC...

There is a "calibration" screw on the FC circuit board that you can adjust so the revs should match.&nbsp We normally calibrate the instrument cluster with a simple stand-alone uP to handle such adjustments.&nbsp You probably can do this by looking at the RPM display off your Microtech and adjust the needle until the RPM's correspond correctly.&nbsp I can't confirm if this works on an FD3S intrument cluster...



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