A first look at the production FD/20B conversion kit
10-07-06, 06:11 PM
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There is a company installing custom 4 rotor engines in Fd's thats solving the hood clearence by pushing the engine 7 inches further back into the chassis, and bringing the engine down lower.
Link: http://www.autotechmotorsports.com/projects-23afd.htm
Link: http://www.autotechmotorsports.com/projects-23afd.htm
10-07-06, 09:52 PM
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Originally Posted by slo
There is a company installing custom 4 rotor engines in Fd's thats solving the hood clearence by pushing the engine 7 inches further back into the chassis, and bringing the engine down lower.
Link: http://www.autotechmotorsports.com/projects-23afd.htm
Link: http://www.autotechmotorsports.com/projects-23afd.htm
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10-08-06, 11:52 AM
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There isn't any cutting of the firewall on the FD 4 rotor... if you check out the website. http://www.autotechmotorsports.com/project-23A.htm
Edit: It also uses 12a Based parts and they claim the shifter is in the stock location. The intake manifold shows how the firewall isnt modified; the runners for the rear 2 rotors go foward.
Edit: It also uses 12a Based parts and they claim the shifter is in the stock location. The intake manifold shows how the firewall isnt modified; the runners for the rear 2 rotors go foward.
Last edited by shm21284; 10-08-06 at 12:00 PM.
10-08-06, 12:01 PM
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Originally Posted by shm21284
There isn't any cutting of the firewall on the FD 4 rotor... if you check out the website. http://www.autotechmotorsports.com/project-23A.htm
And that car is very badass!
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10-08-06, 06:14 PM
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Originally Posted by slo
all you need for the FC is mount adapters, and to modify the position of the sway bar, or a custom sway bar. I don't think hood clearance is even an issue.
i had to cut some of the bracing from under my hood, but the actual top skin is ok for a fc.
10-08-06, 07:34 PM
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Did you cut the bracing for manifold clearence or to clear piping for the stock turbos I saw one single turbo last year that fit with no cutting. Of course there are other factors, not the least of which is the mount adapters in question my 13b-re install required trimming of the excess casting on the front cover to clear the steering rack.
10-08-06, 07:46 PM
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They also have 13B based 4 and 3 rotor:
They are 20 min from my house, I think I will go check them out.
http://www.autotechmotorsports.com/r_and_d.htm
They are 20 min from my house, I think I will go check them out.
http://www.autotechmotorsports.com/r_and_d.htm
10-16-06, 06:11 PM
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Originally Posted by slo
Did you cut the bracing for manifold clearence or to clear piping for the stock turbos I saw one single turbo last year that fit with no cutting. Of course there are other factors, not the least of which is the mount adapters in question my 13b-re install required trimming of the excess casting on the front cover to clear the steering rack.
10-17-06, 11:25 PM
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I think what has allready been said is that you really don't need an extensive kit for an FC. Many places are making mount adapters, same ones for the 13b-re.
10-21-06, 04:46 PM
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Originally Posted by slo
I saw one single turbo last year that fit with no cutting.
For my car, I moved the motor back 6.5-7" and down about 1". There is no way in hell you could do it without modifying a lot of sheet metal, unless you are willing to have the oil pan about 2" off the ground and be the lowest point of the car. Ask the ground zero oil pan guys how much fun that is.
Ignoring the changes I had to make to accommodate the stock manifold, I had modify the firewall/tunnel to make room for the following items:
-the rear iron hits the tunnel where the filter mount would normally bolt down.
-the starter motor hits the tunnel.
-the back of the gearbox hits the tunnel
-there is virtually no room for a downpipe without cutting the firewall back.
Logan I really like your kit. Where was all this innovation a few years ago when I started my project? :p
11-05-06, 01:17 AM
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Originally Posted by CMonakar
Logan I really like your kit. Where was all this innovation a few years ago when I started my project? :p
Originally Posted by RX-Heven
I'll take one.
pm me for your payment info and timeframe.
pm me for your payment info and timeframe.
11-05-06, 03:37 PM
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Intake manifolds are not cheep guys we just cant produce parts at some of the prices asked for. I am sure GtoRx7 will agree with me here that we can’t produce the type of machine work needed for cheep.
13b manis fully custom to each application I charge anywhere from 1,200 and 1,700 without a TB. For a 20b then avg price would simply be 50% more. Now shorter runners and ITB could be cheaper for fact of not fabin a plenum. Then the thing of air boxes raise the price back up.
13b manis fully custom to each application I charge anywhere from 1,200 and 1,700 without a TB. For a 20b then avg price would simply be 50% more. Now shorter runners and ITB could be cheaper for fact of not fabin a plenum. Then the thing of air boxes raise the price back up.
11-05-06, 09:25 PM
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I just finished another option that is available to any customer. The idea was inspired to me by Cmonakar (his pan pictured), and uses a Rx-8 oil level sensor in place of the factory Rx-7 one. Its advantage is a cleaner install, smaller size, and no more wires hanging outside the pan. Just a option, if somebody else would want it. Can be done at the same time of 20B conversion kit process. Or sent in just for this mod. I also prep the pan with a non-stick, sludge protectant coating.
PM for any requests.
Oh yeah, and business partner Peter APPROVES!!!
PM for any requests.
Oh yeah, and business partner Peter APPROVES!!!
11-06-06, 06:57 PM
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Originally Posted by iceblue
Intake manifolds are not cheep guys we just cant produce parts at some of the prices asked for. I am sure GtoRx7 will agree with me here that we can’t produce the type of machine work needed for cheep.
13b manis fully custom to each application I charge anywhere from 1,200 and 1,700 without a TB. For a 20b then avg price would simply be 50% more. Now shorter runners and ITB could be cheaper for fact of not fabin a plenum. Then the thing of air boxes raise the price back up.
13b manis fully custom to each application I charge anywhere from 1,200 and 1,700 without a TB. For a 20b then avg price would simply be 50% more. Now shorter runners and ITB could be cheaper for fact of not fabin a plenum. Then the thing of air boxes raise the price back up.
how much do you realistically estimate it would cost to a low profle manifold with decent length runners connecting to either:
1. 3 Independent Throttle Bodies and air box similar to GTO's old setup
2. Big single TB setup maybe using stock 20B or FD throttle body and elbow
I'm in the planning stages of this and the intake setup and header are the 2 unknown costs for me. I don't know anyone where I currently live that I could trust to build either.
Either of you feel free to PM me if you don't want to post that publicly.
11-06-06, 10:29 PM
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Originally Posted by gracer7-rx7
I don't think anyone knowledgeable would expect you to do a custom manifold for some of the lower prices mentioned.
how much do you realistically estimate it would cost to a low profle manifold with decent length runners connecting to either:
1. 3 Independent Throttle Bodies and air box similar to GTO's old setup
2. Big single TB setup maybe using stock 20B or FD throttle body and elbow
I'm in the planning stages of this and the intake setup and header are the 2 unknown costs for me. I don't know anyone where I currently live that I could trust to build either.
Either of you feel free to PM me if you don't want to post that publicly.
how much do you realistically estimate it would cost to a low profle manifold with decent length runners connecting to either:
1. 3 Independent Throttle Bodies and air box similar to GTO's old setup
2. Big single TB setup maybe using stock 20B or FD throttle body and elbow
I'm in the planning stages of this and the intake setup and header are the 2 unknown costs for me. I don't know anyone where I currently live that I could trust to build either.
Either of you feel free to PM me if you don't want to post that publicly.
Cold box price will be based on location and size.
OEM style $1,500
11-07-06, 02:28 AM
#49
Originally Posted by iceblue
ITB estimate 2pc $1,200 without cold box. Single piece $900
Cold box price will be based on location and size.
OEM style $1,500
Cold box price will be based on location and size.
OEM style $1,500
Anyway, I will keep you guys updated once I have some intakes completed and for sale.
11-07-06, 11:37 AM
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I will when I can. I am busy machining the NA turbo ones for S4-5 engines right now. Do you have any more of yours? Or are you only running the ITB setup you showed?