contracting (in 2004) the ultimate rotary going into an FC - help me design it
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From: Ohio
Originally posted by hawk 7
Barwick have you contacted any of the companies mentioned. I would think with a project of this magnitude it would be best to get their advice. Even the most experienced people here can give you just a theory on what you should do. You seem to want to take your project further than anyone has taken a street driven 20b. The companies everyone is telling you about probably could give you more insight. Even if you are not contracting until '04 I think now is the time you need to build a relationship with your engine builder.
Barwick have you contacted any of the companies mentioned. I would think with a project of this magnitude it would be best to get their advice. Even the most experienced people here can give you just a theory on what you should do. You seem to want to take your project further than anyone has taken a street driven 20b. The companies everyone is telling you about probably could give you more insight. Even if you are not contracting until '04 I think now is the time you need to build a relationship with your engine builder.
10.32 @ 133
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From: Sydney, Australia
Easy.
A Precision Engineering NZ 4 rotor kit with bearings in all centre plates. 2 x GT42 Garrett BB turbos. Haltech E11. HME seals. If you didn't make 800hp, I would be shocked. It would be streetable and make the power on moderate boost as well.
A Precision Engineering NZ 4 rotor kit with bearings in all centre plates. 2 x GT42 Garrett BB turbos. Haltech E11. HME seals. If you didn't make 800hp, I would be shocked. It would be streetable and make the power on moderate boost as well.
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From: n
Originally posted by Barwick
yes I race cars on a real race track, I understand these things. By the time the car comes back to me in 2005 I'll have 3 years racing experience and should be able to keep it from swapping ends every other time I step on the gas.
yes I race cars on a real race track, I understand these things. By the time the car comes back to me in 2005 I'll have 3 years racing experience and should be able to keep it from swapping ends every other time I step on the gas.
One of the best quotes I've heard from a "pro driver" who had been driving professionally for over 20 years:  "You never stop learning..."
Good luck on your quest.
-Ted
i have a castle
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From: is where you live
Originally posted by AJC13B
Easy.
A Precision Engineering NZ 4 rotor kit with bearings in all centre plates. 2 x GT42 Garrett BB turbos. Haltech E11. HME seals. If you didn't make 800hp, I would be shocked. It would be streetable and make the power on moderate boost as well.
Easy.
A Precision Engineering NZ 4 rotor kit with bearings in all centre plates. 2 x GT42 Garrett BB turbos. Haltech E11. HME seals. If you didn't make 800hp, I would be shocked. It would be streetable and make the power on moderate boost as well.
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From: Central FL
Ever thought of contacting Mollar Int. and getting a custom built quad rotor? Or.. what would be really cool, parallel 3 or 4 rotor setups (an 8 rotor engine - An R8)
Of course you can send me that 20B you won't be needing
Bryan
Of course you can send me that 20B you won't be needing
Bryan
Three spinning triangles
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From: Been all around this world and still call Texas home (Ft Worth)
Originally posted by bermuda20b
The hardest thing about doing one of these projects is the research. The actual work is simply mechanics. Getting everything work together, properly requires a lot of thought. If someone where to ask me what to do, I would point them in the right direction but building one of these cars is very personal.
The hardest thing about doing one of these projects is the research. The actual work is simply mechanics. Getting everything work together, properly requires a lot of thought. If someone where to ask me what to do, I would point them in the right direction but building one of these cars is very personal.
Originally posted by RETed
That has already making me shake my head...
One of the best quotes I've heard from a "pro driver" who had been driving professionally for over 20 years:  "You never stop learning..."
Good luck on your quest.
-Ted
That has already making me shake my head...
One of the best quotes I've heard from a "pro driver" who had been driving professionally for over 20 years:  "You never stop learning..."
Good luck on your quest.
-Ted
But every time your behind the wheel its a totaly different experience, on and off the track.
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all aboard!
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From: Houston
I can hook you up with a 3rd gen tube frame widebody, 20B, Jerico 5-speed, Mazdacomp bodywork, Ford 9in rear, 500+ horsepower. Runs in GT1 and lots of spares available. All the real info is yours for a small...no no, huge finders fee for a rich guy like you. hehe, just pm me.
hehe, just pm me.
i have a castle
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From: is where you live
Originally posted by BHall
Ever thought of contacting Mollar Int. and getting a custom built quad rotor? Or.. what would be really cool, parallel 3 or 4 rotor setups (an 8 rotor engine - An R8)
Of course you can send me that 20B you won't be needing
Bryan
Ever thought of contacting Mollar Int. and getting a custom built quad rotor? Or.. what would be really cool, parallel 3 or 4 rotor setups (an 8 rotor engine - An R8)
Of course you can send me that 20B you won't be needing
Bryan
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From: Ohio
Originally posted by Andreas
searched for Mollar Int on the www but found nothing. got a url please?
searched for Mollar Int on the www but found nothing. got a url please?
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From: Saugus Mass looking for Rx-7s east of Framingham
if moneys not a problem and your gunna do 3rotors don't do 4. You just need to work out some minor details like eccentric shaft ECU you know the small stuff, but it will smoke anything out there. Have a reasonable power band.(not all top end from Huge turbos) and be reliable.
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From: Saugus Mass looking for Rx-7s east of Framingham
if moneys not a problem and your gunna do 3rotors don't do 4. You just need to work out some minor details like eccentric shaft ECU you know the small stuff, but it will smoke anything out there. Have a reasonable power band.(not all top end from Huge turbos) and be reliable.
10.32 @ 133
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From: Sydney, Australia
Originally posted by rpm_pwr
This is the motor that you qutoed 10 grand for the core?
-pete
This is the motor that you qutoed 10 grand for the core?
-pete
Precision Engineering don't have a site as far as I know...
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From: oregon
personaly i like the way rob at pineapple racing works
and the extent of his knowledge is awsome.
i inherited a 20b they put together and is streetable(forme anyway)
and has mad mad power (650horse and mad torque)
it is carburated pp'd and mega bridged with a t88
and still needs to be dialed in so much more power is available easy
(but i am new to rotor's so am still learning)
btw www.pineappleracing.com
and the extent of his knowledge is awsome.
i inherited a 20b they put together and is streetable(forme anyway)
and has mad mad power (650horse and mad torque)
it is carburated pp'd and mega bridged with a t88
and still needs to be dialed in so much more power is available easy
(but i am new to rotor's so am still learning)
btw www.pineappleracing.com
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Pineapple Racing sells complete 4-rotor engines for $8500. These are p-port engines, basically the same as the 787B engines and are claimed to make around 850 hp! This is a race engine though - not streetable.
700-800 hp?
20B rebuilt with upgraded 2mm apex seals.
Fully bridgeported engine.
Large twins (turbostreetfighter knows what to run for this type of set up)
mid - 20's psi should get you over 700.
Since money is not of any concern at all... and you said you might buy a Z06 in the meantime, how about making two fast cars. Get the Z06 engine completely upgraded, twin turbo it, and have 1200-1500 hp!
700-800 hp?
20B rebuilt with upgraded 2mm apex seals.
Fully bridgeported engine.
Large twins (turbostreetfighter knows what to run for this type of set up)
mid - 20's psi should get you over 700.
Since money is not of any concern at all... and you said you might buy a Z06 in the meantime, how about making two fast cars. Get the Z06 engine completely upgraded, twin turbo it, and have 1200-1500 hp!
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From: Ohio
Originally posted by Barwick
The story is, right now my business is only bringing in just short of a grand a month. Within the next 6 months I'll be bringing in a few grand, and 2 or 3 years down the road, 50 or 60 grand a month is what I'm looking at. That's why money won't be an issue. I know it sounds like a bunch of bull, but if you really need to, treat it like a "theoretical" buildup with unlimited money. Or imagine I make $60,000 a year and rotor housings cost $1.25
The story is, right now my business is only bringing in just short of a grand a month. Within the next 6 months I'll be bringing in a few grand, and 2 or 3 years down the road, 50 or 60 grand a month is what I'm looking at. That's why money won't be an issue. I know it sounds like a bunch of bull, but if you really need to, treat it like a "theoretical" buildup with unlimited money. Or imagine I make $60,000 a year and rotor housings cost $1.25
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From: Metro Detroit
Originally posted by ThirdGenRX7
Actually, I don't care to elaborate because you wouldn't be able to get over your pride long enough to realize that you are completely wasting anyone's time who clicked on this thread. Also, I don't say things like this to just anyone, I save it for rare occasions when I come across people like you and yzf-r1.
Actually, I don't care to elaborate because you wouldn't be able to get over your pride long enough to realize that you are completely wasting anyone's time who clicked on this thread. Also, I don't say things like this to just anyone, I save it for rare occasions when I come across people like you and yzf-r1.
But then again in a few years once i get a FD i'd probly want to put it in that lol.
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From: SC
Ok, keep in mind I dont have a 20b yet but it is in my plans with in the next 6 mounths also my finances is my
business so please keep your comments to yourself.
Barwick, I hope this helps you out. I plan to put a 20b in a FD this summer I think a FC would be cheaper but I like FDs.
There is a place in Canada called RX-7 Specialties and they have some very good priceing, you can get the subframe and spindels(for bumpsteer) for about 1500.00 which I thought was a good price.They said 7500.00 for a 20b, I dont remember if that was ready to go or not but Im sure thats close. That 7500.00 could be cut down some if you bought one from over seas and did it yourself. I plan to get the Microtech ECU , coils ans harness for about 1200.00. My manifold for my turbo will be custom made for about 700.00 a good wastgate such as tail or hks and a T-76 maybe more. The rest of my car is basicley set up and Im sure there are a few small things Im missing but with a good water injection system I think 700-800 rwhp on pumped gas sounds good. My buget is about 15000.00, I should be own the road with a 20b for about that price.
business so please keep your comments to yourself.
Barwick, I hope this helps you out. I plan to put a 20b in a FD this summer I think a FC would be cheaper but I like FDs.
There is a place in Canada called RX-7 Specialties and they have some very good priceing, you can get the subframe and spindels(for bumpsteer) for about 1500.00 which I thought was a good price.They said 7500.00 for a 20b, I dont remember if that was ready to go or not but Im sure thats close. That 7500.00 could be cut down some if you bought one from over seas and did it yourself. I plan to get the Microtech ECU , coils ans harness for about 1200.00. My manifold for my turbo will be custom made for about 700.00 a good wastgate such as tail or hks and a T-76 maybe more. The rest of my car is basicley set up and Im sure there are a few small things Im missing but with a good water injection system I think 700-800 rwhp on pumped gas sounds good. My buget is about 15000.00, I should be own the road with a 20b for about that price.
