20B...Would you still go through with it?
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20B...Would you still go through with it?
Those of us doing this modification have most likely got to feel like Neo in the Matrix making the leap of faith jump from building to building. We thought we could do it no problem and all this stuff started happening along the way and now we're falling or are splattered all over the road at this point trying to collect ourselves and wondering just what we got ourselves into.
If given the opportunity to start over from the beginning...would you do it again, and/or how would you do things differently?
I'll start - Absolutely I'd do it again but I would have saved for another year or two, bought all the parts as I could afford them so I'd have them all at once and not be waiting for vendors to ship (this has been the largest overall problem is getting parts in any reasonable amount of time). I also would have done more of the prep work myself to get the car ready for the swap. Other than that, it's been going relatively smoothly and I can't wait to have it finished which should be this summer some time Maybe...
If given the opportunity to start over from the beginning...would you do it again, and/or how would you do things differently?
I'll start - Absolutely I'd do it again but I would have saved for another year or two, bought all the parts as I could afford them so I'd have them all at once and not be waiting for vendors to ship (this has been the largest overall problem is getting parts in any reasonable amount of time). I also would have done more of the prep work myself to get the car ready for the swap. Other than that, it's been going relatively smoothly and I can't wait to have it finished which should be this summer some time Maybe...
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my problem was that i tried to do the swap in 2 months, and real life cought up with me. i got behind a couple of weekends. at the time that the only time i had. then i lost my job and and to pack up the half done project and haul it home, that was a big set back. its ok now, i took it back apart and put it together better, and now it almost done 5 moths later. the other thing was that the car had been broken into and i could have put it back together in a weekend, but what fun is that?
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I would still do it again, as I have wanted a 3-rotor engine for about 13 years now.
What I would have done differently:
1) Kept the stock turbos (for a while, anyway). This not only saves the cost and trouble of the single turbo conversion, but also keeps the power level down to somewhat manageable levels for a TII drivetrain (except for the clutch). My biggest problem right now is what to do about the transmission.
2) Started with a TII. For what it cost me to source the TII hood, GXL 5-lug suspension, TII power brake booster, etc., I could have just sold my SE and bought a TII with a blown engine and saved myself $1,000. The S5 front end was still a good deal, though, as the S5 cars sell for entirely too much money in my area.
3) Used a larger fuel cell. Orignially, the car was being built for a BP 13B, but then the 20B became available and the rest is history. Anyway, the 15 gal fuel cell would have been great for the 13B, but I'm calculating the fuel consumption of my T66 20B at 4mpg @ peak HP, and about 12mpg for city driving. My 1Gen needed a fuel cell, so the 15gal Fuel Safe has found a new home. I still need to order a new fuel cell of at least 24gal capacity.
What I would have done differently:
1) Kept the stock turbos (for a while, anyway). This not only saves the cost and trouble of the single turbo conversion, but also keeps the power level down to somewhat manageable levels for a TII drivetrain (except for the clutch). My biggest problem right now is what to do about the transmission.
2) Started with a TII. For what it cost me to source the TII hood, GXL 5-lug suspension, TII power brake booster, etc., I could have just sold my SE and bought a TII with a blown engine and saved myself $1,000. The S5 front end was still a good deal, though, as the S5 cars sell for entirely too much money in my area.
3) Used a larger fuel cell. Orignially, the car was being built for a BP 13B, but then the 20B became available and the rest is history. Anyway, the 15 gal fuel cell would have been great for the 13B, but I'm calculating the fuel consumption of my T66 20B at 4mpg @ peak HP, and about 12mpg for city driving. My 1Gen needed a fuel cell, so the 15gal Fuel Safe has found a new home. I still need to order a new fuel cell of at least 24gal capacity.
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Never mind would I have done the one I just finished,
but I am really thinking if I can get another front clip I
might do another,,, I really wanted a convertible!
Evil Aviator,,, you said something about getting a
TII power brake booster,,, I didn't know there was a
difference between the TII and the gxl..
as for a trani the stock cosmo auto is working well!
I have done a couple brake stands now and it has
no trouble turning the wheels lol
matt
but I am really thinking if I can get another front clip I
might do another,,, I really wanted a convertible!
Evil Aviator,,, you said something about getting a
TII power brake booster,,, I didn't know there was a
difference between the TII and the gxl..
as for a trani the stock cosmo auto is working well!
I have done a couple brake stands now and it has
no trouble turning the wheels lol
matt
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Originally posted by now
Never mind would I have done the one I just finished,
but I am really thinking if I can get another front clip I
might do another,,, I really wanted a convertible!
Evil Aviator,,, you said something about getting a
TII power brake booster,,, I didn't know there was a
difference between the TII and the gxl..
as for a trani the stock cosmo auto is working well!
I have done a couple brake stands now and it has
no trouble turning the wheels lol
matt
Never mind would I have done the one I just finished,
but I am really thinking if I can get another front clip I
might do another,,, I really wanted a convertible!
Evil Aviator,,, you said something about getting a
TII power brake booster,,, I didn't know there was a
difference between the TII and the gxl..
as for a trani the stock cosmo auto is working well!
I have done a couple brake stands now and it has
no trouble turning the wheels lol
matt
I don't have the TII power brake booster in the car yet because I am still trying to sort through the SPO rules to see if the rollcage really needs to go through the firewall, which would in effect nix my power brakes altogether.
BTW, you could have simply bought a 20B convertible.
http://www.efini.net/rx7s4sale.htm
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The booster works the same in the TII as the gxl,
both will run out of vacuum if you get on the brakes
enough while under boost. each have check valves in
the line, and I am not sure if there is anything different,
but I am using the gxl booster and master cylinder.
O ya I am going to run out and buy a vert for 39,900 u.s.
that like 60,000 Canadian! I could build 4 or 5 for that
price I have my eye on a 1990 vert and if its still there
on Friday I might buy it
matt
both will run out of vacuum if you get on the brakes
enough while under boost. each have check valves in
the line, and I am not sure if there is anything different,
but I am using the gxl booster and master cylinder.
O ya I am going to run out and buy a vert for 39,900 u.s.
that like 60,000 Canadian! I could build 4 or 5 for that
price I have my eye on a 1990 vert and if its still there
on Friday I might buy it
matt
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where are you going to tap the engine for vacuum? theres no port. maybe this is someones way of telling you not to have power brakes
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thats what i was thinking of doing. what did you end up doing with the tstat housing?
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Originally posted by j9fd3s
where are you going to tap the engine for vacuum? theres no port. maybe this is someones way of telling you not to have power brakes
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where are you going to tap the engine for vacuum? theres no port. maybe this is someones way of telling you not to have power brakes
mike
Hmm, I thought that one of those vacuum hoses on the stock engine went to the power brake booster. Maybe I need to look at my engine again. I assumed the JC Cosmo Luxury car had power brakes, so how are they actuated if not by vacuum?
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i thought they were hydraulic but theres no hydraulic pump either. my engine was really complete and there was no vacuum port.
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hmm its like a reverse mpv one then? the mpv's had load leveling suspension with air shocks
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Originally posted by Evil Aviator
I don't have the TII power brake booster in the car yet because I am still trying to sort through the SPO rules to see if the rollcage really needs to go through the firewall, which would in effect nix my power brakes altogether.
http://www.efini.net/rx7s4sale.htm
I don't have the TII power brake booster in the car yet because I am still trying to sort through the SPO rules to see if the rollcage really needs to go through the firewall, which would in effect nix my power brakes altogether.
http://www.efini.net/rx7s4sale.htm
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Originally posted by now
Never mind would I have done the one I just finished,
but I am really thinking if I can get another front clip I
might do another,,, I really wanted a convertible!
matt
Never mind would I have done the one I just finished,
but I am really thinking if I can get another front clip I
might do another,,, I really wanted a convertible!
matt
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Yes i seen your car for sale,,, and your right,, yours wouldnt be cheap, it is nice but by the time you convert your price to canadian dollars it would be cheaper to
buy a house
matt
buy a house
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Originally posted by Attila the Fun
I can make your dream come true...except for the part about getting one cheap.
I can make your dream come true...except for the part about getting one cheap.
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Yes i seen your car for sale,,, and your right,, yours wouldnt be cheap, it is nice but by the time you convert your price to canadian dollars it would be cheaper to
buy a house
matt
Yes i seen your car for sale,,, and your right,, yours wouldnt be cheap, it is nice but by the time you convert your price to canadian dollars it would be cheaper to
buy a house
matt
Do you recall the tale of Hercules fighting the Hydra? Well, the story is allegorical. He didn't really fight a 9-headed beast--he just bought a house.
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Originally posted by Attila the Fun
I have a house. Trust me. The car is better.
Do you recall the tale of Hercules fighting the Hydra? Well, the story is allegorical. He didn't really fight a 9-headed beast--he just bought a house.
I have a house. Trust me. The car is better.
Do you recall the tale of Hercules fighting the Hydra? Well, the story is allegorical. He didn't really fight a 9-headed beast--he just bought a house.
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Originally posted by j9fd3s
if the car was simple i'd like to see complicated
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if the car was simple i'd like to see complicated
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I don't think I ever said it was simple--just better: The car will give you an adrenaline rush of purest joy. People will spontaneously burst into applause when you drive by (yes, this has happened more than once).
No house has never produced these results.
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Originally posted by Attila the Fun
No, you wouldn't. "Complicated" will give you nightmares and lead to impotence.
I don't think I ever said it was simple--just better: The car will give you an adrenaline rush of purest joy. People will spontaneously burst into applause when you drive by (yes, this has happened more than once).
No house has never produced these results.
No, you wouldn't. "Complicated" will give you nightmares and lead to impotence.
I don't think I ever said it was simple--just better: The car will give you an adrenaline rush of purest joy. People will spontaneously burst into applause when you drive by (yes, this has happened more than once).
No house has never produced these results.
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Originally posted by Attila the Fun
No, you wouldn't. "Complicated" will give you nightmares and lead to impotence.
I don't think I ever said it was simple--just better: The car will give you an adrenaline rush of purest joy. People will spontaneously burst into applause when you drive by (yes, this has happened more than once).
No house has never produced these results.
No, you wouldn't. "Complicated" will give you nightmares and lead to impotence.
I don't think I ever said it was simple--just better: The car will give you an adrenaline rush of purest joy. People will spontaneously burst into applause when you drive by (yes, this has happened more than once).
No house has never produced these results.
mike