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Old Jun 16, 2010 | 12:36 AM
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20B RPM limit

I have some questions on the 20B's RPM limit. I am planning an N/A build with S5 rotors. What do I need to ensure the engine will no be out of balance. Just 3 matched rotors (letters?). How about the counter weights?

Without extra balancing, what is a relatively "stock" 20b with porting good to wind up to?

What would be needed to if anything to have a 9000RPM limit other than said balancing?
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Old Jun 16, 2010 | 10:49 AM
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what's the aversion to balancing?
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Old Jun 16, 2010 | 10:54 AM
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I don't have one, just want to know all the different ways I can go with the build before settling on a certain direction.

I'm also trying to keep costs down. I don't need an engine that's built to handle 500whp when I don't think I'll ever see 400.
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Old Jun 16, 2010 | 01:50 PM
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Generally it is about 8500 w/o being dynamicly balanced.
https://www.rx7club.com/showpost.php...24&postcount=4

If you are not going to have it balanced put the 2 rotors closest in weight on #2 & #3. If all are pretty close, put the heaviest in #1.
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Old Jun 16, 2010 | 03:44 PM
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OK, thanks for the info.
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Old Jun 16, 2010 | 11:35 PM
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Originally Posted by bc_fd3s
I don't have one, just want to know all the different ways I can go with the build before settling on a certain direction.

I'm also trying to keep costs down. I don't need an engine that's built to handle 500whp when I don't think I'll ever see 400.
i am all for a 20B swap but i dont see the point if your not going to break 400RWHP, IMO i think porting out a 13B and having a small single turbo would be the best route, but what ever works best for you best of luck.
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Old Jun 17, 2010 | 01:54 AM
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I've been down that road. And currently have a brand new rebuilt engine from DJSeven, a turbo kit and all other things I need to get the car running but I wan't to try something different.

350whp N/A is more fun than 400whp FI.

I've owned a few high HP cars in the past and I really like driving a built N/A.

No turbos for me anymore. I want reliability without having to worry about crap like WI, and getting one bad tank of gas.
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Old Jun 17, 2010 | 11:06 PM
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That's a good comparison since I used to sell Ducati, Suzuki, Honda and Kawasaki... and now I work at a Yamaha/BMW dealership in sales .

I understand your analogy completely.

For instance I rode the new BMW S1000RR last week, and a few weeks ago I rode a BMW HP2 Sport. The HP2 Sport, while only having 125whp (and the S1000RR... 185ish) the HP2 has MUCH lower and stronger torque and I had way more fun on it.
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Old Jun 18, 2010 | 09:47 AM
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Originally Posted by rx7rcer09
i am all for a 20B swap but i dont see the point if your not going to break 400RWHP, IMO i think porting out a 13B and having a small single turbo would be the best route, but what ever works best for you best of luck.

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Old Jun 18, 2010 | 12:49 PM
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From: https://www2.mazda.com/en/100th/
Originally Posted by bc_fd3s
Just 3 matched rotors (letters?). How about the counter weights?
mazda letters the rotors PER BATCH, so an C rotor from may of 1989 may not be equal to an C rotor in 2010.

counterweights come with the 20b, and actually are pretty cheap new.
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Old Jun 18, 2010 | 04:20 PM
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So I can't match rotors then... they have to get balanced.
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Old Jun 20, 2010 | 02:01 PM
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So I can't match rotors then... they have to get balanced.
ideally yes it gets balanced. it is possible you could weigh the old rotors and match up the new rotors, within some kind of margin.

IMO it mainly depends on how high you wanna rev the thing. stock redline is 7k
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Old Jun 20, 2010 | 02:58 PM
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Originally Posted by j9fd3s
ideally yes it gets balanced. it is possible you could weigh the old rotors and match up the new rotors, within some kind of margin.

IMO it mainly depends on how high you wanna rev the thing. stock redline is 7k
I agree... if you want to take it up to 9k redline its probably best to get it done.
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Old Jun 20, 2010 | 03:00 PM
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Originally Posted by gmonsen
Comparing a turbo 13b and an NA 20b is a bit like comparing a Ducati v-twin with a Japanese in line 4. The Inline 4 puts out way more power at lower cost. But the power comes in way up in the rpm range and they tend to sound a bit shrill. The Ducati makes way more torque in the low and mid ranges and sounds much better. It also costs more. To each his own.

Gordon
As somebody who experienced his first Ducati the other day (was next to me for ~1/2 mile then hauled *** away), and subsequently seriously weighed the financial options of buying a $16,000 motorcycle that requires frequent and expensive maintenance, I see your assessment as being valid.

The sound is absolutely incredible.

I'm not entirely a fan of the 20B sound, but throat-closing midrange torque is a wonderful thing to have.

- Pete (and then there are the Audi fives that I've been playing with as of late...)
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Old Jun 21, 2010 | 01:21 PM
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Meh... Ducati`s have gotten a lot better with maintence in the last few years. But yes, you`re right! lol...
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