it wont start...Help....1984 12a RX7
07-05-05, 10:40 PM
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Originally Posted by wackyracer
hmmmmm. how does 7am on Saturday sounds like. Im free before 8AM.
Sounds great but probably not to my neighbors......hahaha....
I have a buddy coming over tomarrow to help me out.
He pulls apart motors and puts them back together almost every other day.
He says he can get it on or else its not going to fire ever again......hahaha.....
So let's see what happens......I'll post up tomarrow night and let everyone know how it goes....
Thanx for all the help and suggestions so far guys.....
07-06-05, 12:39 AM
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Originally Posted by gsl-se addict
Sure you plugged the ignitors in right? Maybe you have the trailing and leading reversed. That'll throw off your timing. I don't know if it would be enough to keep it from running though.
No, those are fine.
It's kind of hard to plug them in backwards since they come out of the harness in a certan position anyway but thanx for pointing it out.....
07-06-05, 01:05 AM
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Double check wiring. Triple check wiring. L, Lower, Leading... T, Top, Trailing... Leading ignitor is the one closest to the alternator, I believe.
What color are your spark plugs? Get new ones to try with. If they're carbon coated or soaked in oil, they won't fire so well.
If you're getting fuel, stop using the starting spray. You'll only reflood it. If you must give it a spritz, use the accelerator pump in the carb by tapping lightly on the gas. Even then, I don't reccomend it. Check the sight glass on the carb for fuel level. Should be halfway up.
I'm leaning 90% on an electrical issue though.
What color are your spark plugs? Get new ones to try with. If they're carbon coated or soaked in oil, they won't fire so well.
If you're getting fuel, stop using the starting spray. You'll only reflood it. If you must give it a spritz, use the accelerator pump in the carb by tapping lightly on the gas. Even then, I don't reccomend it. Check the sight glass on the carb for fuel level. Should be halfway up.
I'm leaning 90% on an electrical issue though.
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07-07-05, 03:18 AM
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Okay so like I said before I could't get the motor to make compression after deflooding it several times and cleaning the plugs over and over.
Well a buddy came over today and showed me some tricks to deflooding.....
He looked at my plugs which are about 7 months old now and said I need new plugs.
So I found 2 brand new turboii plugs in my garage......never installed.
And I put those in as my trailing plugs....
He did his magic and my motor started to make compression........Then I turned on the fuel pump and it started to sputter and rumble........But plugs were wet by now......
So we pulled out the plugs and they were wet and oily.......Apparently I over deflooded the motor.......to much oil.......
SO they were cleaned again and reinstalled......It almost fired....sputtered....rumbled....smoked alot.....
The plugs came back out......while they were out the motor was cranked for about 3 minutes of and on of course in intermittent spurts and all the oil and fuel came out the spark plug holes till it was blowing dry.......Then I decided to wait till morning so I could buy a brand new set of plugs.....
It makes compression now.......It will start now........
I know it will........I couldn't believe it when he worked his magic with his little hands..........My hero..........I will owe him a countless and infinite supply of Bud Light........Beer of the Rotary Gods.........and a harem of beautiful hott Hoodrats to please him in all ways.........HahAHahAhaAhAhaha............
I will post one more time to let you all know how it turned out.......and to let you know how much I love my lightweight flywheel that started all this drama........
Hey why don't you all post up your starting problems that might have put your life on hold for a day....I want to hear something from someone else.......Please let me know that someone else has had some sort of problem at one time or another starting their car......
Well a buddy came over today and showed me some tricks to deflooding.....
He looked at my plugs which are about 7 months old now and said I need new plugs.
So I found 2 brand new turboii plugs in my garage......never installed.
And I put those in as my trailing plugs....
He did his magic and my motor started to make compression........Then I turned on the fuel pump and it started to sputter and rumble........But plugs were wet by now......
So we pulled out the plugs and they were wet and oily.......Apparently I over deflooded the motor.......to much oil.......
SO they were cleaned again and reinstalled......It almost fired....sputtered....rumbled....smoked alot.....
The plugs came back out......while they were out the motor was cranked for about 3 minutes of and on of course in intermittent spurts and all the oil and fuel came out the spark plug holes till it was blowing dry.......Then I decided to wait till morning so I could buy a brand new set of plugs.....
It makes compression now.......It will start now........
I know it will........I couldn't believe it when he worked his magic with his little hands..........My hero..........I will owe him a countless and infinite supply of Bud Light........Beer of the Rotary Gods.........and a harem of beautiful hott Hoodrats to please him in all ways.........HahAHahAhaAhAhaha............
I will post one more time to let you all know how it turned out.......and to let you know how much I love my lightweight flywheel that started all this drama........
Hey why don't you all post up your starting problems that might have put your life on hold for a day....I want to hear something from someone else.......Please let me know that someone else has had some sort of problem at one time or another starting their car......
07-07-05, 07:17 AM
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My problem sounded basically just like your problem. Flooding constantly, ket deflooding it and to no avail. Finally I pulled the fuse for the fuel pump and puled the plugs and just cranked the **** out of it. Another way of deflooding my engine I have found, is to unplug the fuel pump fuse and hold the pedal to the floor while cranking. It will smoke like a **** when it starts and also backfire and run rough. Once it starts, I put the fuse back in and usually it will be ok after it warms up a bit.
07-10-05, 05:09 AM
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Originally Posted by IanS
My problem sounded basically just like your problem. Flooding constantly, ket deflooding it and to no avail. Finally I pulled the fuse for the fuel pump and puled the plugs and just cranked the **** out of it. Another way of deflooding my engine I have found, is to unplug the fuel pump fuse and hold the pedal to the floor while cranking. It will smoke like a **** when it starts and also backfire and run rough. Once it starts, I put the fuse back in and usually it will be ok after it warms up a bit.
Yeah thats how we usually do it on the Fuel injected RX7's....
Especially the turboII's we build up......backyard bucket racers over here!!!
When ever we take out one of the guys more modded Turbo cars we turn the key forward to prime the fuel pump, then pull out the fuel pump fuse, fire the motor up, then plug it right back in......
Its just easier than dealing with a flood out and we choose to do that than wire in a switch to keep it clean.....
07-10-05, 08:58 AM
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Pull the plugs again, put MMO in there, install a new set of plugs (or clean yours) put everthing back to start it, but don't!
Hook it up to another car and pull it down the road. Turn your key on and pop it in 2nd gear while the car is pulling you down the road.
My gsl-se did this same exact thing when she sat 2weeks with the front end 2ft up in the air ( I was swapping oil coolers) and the only way she started was hooking it to my truck and pulling it down the road.
It will work if the spark and fuel are there.
Chad
Hook it up to another car and pull it down the road. Turn your key on and pop it in 2nd gear while the car is pulling you down the road.
My gsl-se did this same exact thing when she sat 2weeks with the front end 2ft up in the air ( I was swapping oil coolers) and the only way she started was hooking it to my truck and pulling it down the road.
It will work if the spark and fuel are there.
Chad
07-10-05, 04:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Fire85GSLSE
Pull the plugs again, put MMO in there, install a new set of plugs (or clean yours) put everthing back to start it, but don't!
Hook it up to another car and pull it down the road. Turn your key on and pop it in 2nd gear while the car is pulling you down the road.
My gsl-se did this same exact thing when she sat 2weeks with the front end 2ft up in the air ( I was swapping oil coolers) and the only way she started was hooking it to my truck and pulling it down the road.
It will work if the spark and fuel are there.
Chad
Hook it up to another car and pull it down the road. Turn your key on and pop it in 2nd gear while the car is pulling you down the road.
My gsl-se did this same exact thing when she sat 2weeks with the front end 2ft up in the air ( I was swapping oil coolers) and the only way she started was hooking it to my truck and pulling it down the road.
It will work if the spark and fuel are there.
Chad
07-10-05, 05:26 PM
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Originally Posted by TurboIIGuy
Thats interesting........I understand the concept there to, spins the motor much faster than a starter.......hhhmmmmm......
Well I killed the battery trying to start it the first time so i went and bought a new battery only to run it down to. Then I decided to pull start it and boom it fired up. I did not have to pull it very fast, maybe 10-15 mph. It started about 60ft from my drive way so it did not take much.
Give it a try and let us know what happened.
07-10-05, 11:08 PM
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This was the best thread for a newbie. I just bought a black 85 RX7 for $400 from a very desperate individual (needed cash). It wouldn't idle, I hooked up all vacuum lines with new line and now it flooded itself. When I got the car the air cleaner was off and in the back of the car. So I'm suspecting untrained hands were messing with the carb. Jets turned out to far etc. will be looking tomorrow. Is there any info available for removing the EGR components. I'm told that's what is done for racing.
We intend to Asphalt Oval Race this car for now. We have been running VW's against the Honda's and Geo's but have been unable to win this season and the number of wins was dropping off. I searched the archives under racing and got about 33 hits but they were pretty much not informative. In order to run this car we have to stay with stock ports but can do carb work and headers. Won in a VW now I want to win in a Mazda Rotary. Simple improvements are what we are after. Get to weigh 2250 lbs too.
We intend to Asphalt Oval Race this car for now. We have been running VW's against the Honda's and Geo's but have been unable to win this season and the number of wins was dropping off. I searched the archives under racing and got about 33 hits but they were pretty much not informative. In order to run this car we have to stay with stock ports but can do carb work and headers. Won in a VW now I want to win in a Mazda Rotary. Simple improvements are what we are after. Get to weigh 2250 lbs too.
07-11-05, 07:10 AM
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Originally Posted by Oval-RX7
This was the best thread for a newbie. I just bought a black 85 RX7 for $400 from a very desperate individual (needed cash). It wouldn't idle, I hooked up all vacuum lines with new line and now it flooded itself. When I got the car the air cleaner was off and in the back of the car. So I'm suspecting untrained hands were messing with the carb. Jets turned out to far etc. will be looking tomorrow. Is there any info available for removing the EGR components. I'm told that's what is done for racing.
We intend to Asphalt Oval Race this car for now. We have been running VW's against the Honda's and Geo's but have been unable to win this season and the number of wins was dropping off. I searched the archives under racing and got about 33 hits but they were pretty much not informative. In order to run this car we have to stay with stock ports but can do carb work and headers. Won in a VW now I want to win in a Mazda Rotary. Simple improvements are what we are after. Get to weigh 2250 lbs too.
We intend to Asphalt Oval Race this car for now. We have been running VW's against the Honda's and Geo's but have been unable to win this season and the number of wins was dropping off. I searched the archives under racing and got about 33 hits but they were pretty much not informative. In order to run this car we have to stay with stock ports but can do carb work and headers. Won in a VW now I want to win in a Mazda Rotary. Simple improvements are what we are after. Get to weigh 2250 lbs too.
What model is it? If not know does it have a sunroof/power windows/13" or 14" wheels?
Do a search for rats nest removal.
The car will run better with all that pollution stuff gone.
Also look for a modifed Nikki carb.
Good luck
07-11-05, 05:24 PM
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What Model
It's a GS, 13" with drums and there is a sunroof Factory type. As soon as we get baseline numbers for this car in street trim, ie corner weights cross wieght and LS weight we are going to start the process of turning it into a Asphalt oval racer for now until the Mile Oval gets paved then she goes road racing. Moving Battery, removing pollution, interior, glass, etc, then in goes the cage, seat, cell then back on the scales and over to the track for some testing. This track is a 1/2 mile, 10 degree banked with big long constant sweeping turns, no paper clip shape here. I've won with a VW Scirocco II but that was 2003 and last year the closest I got was a handful of 2nds and 3rds and a photo finish went to the Izuzu powered GEO Storm. He wins most of the time and the rest of the time it goes to Honda's 
Motor on the LS and the VW motor is on the RS oh well. Should of been more favorable to us Ford and VW guys. Now they got a deal with a Mazda RX7 and from what I'm told this thing is going to win. 
Motor on the LS and the VW motor is on the RS oh well. Should of been more favorable to us Ford and VW guys. Now they got a deal with a Mazda RX7 and from what I'm told this thing is going to win.
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Originally Posted by Oval-RX7
It's a GS, 13" with drums and there is a sunroof Factory type. As soon as we get baseline numbers for this car in street trim, ie corner weights cross wieght and LS weight we are going to start the process of turning it into a Asphalt oval racer for now until the Mile Oval gets paved then she goes road racing. Moving Battery, removing pollution, interior, glass, etc, then in goes the cage, seat, cell then back on the scales and over to the track for some testing. This track is a 1/2 mile, 10 degree banked with big long constant sweeping turns, no paper clip shape here. I've won with a VW Scirocco II but that was 2003 and last year the closest I got was a handful of 2nds and 3rds and a photo finish went to the Izuzu powered GEO Storm. He wins most of the time and the rest of the time it goes to Honda's Motor on the LS and the VW motor is on the RS oh well. Should of been more favorable to us Ford and VW guys. Now they got a deal with a Mazda RX7 and from what I'm told this thing is going to win.
Motor on the LS and the VW motor is on the RS oh well. Should of been more favorable to us Ford and VW guys. Now they got a deal with a Mazda RX7 and from what I'm told this thing is going to win. Take some pics and/or video of it performing.
Good luck and enjoy the ride.
And yes, once you know the car you should have no problem winning.
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Originally Posted by Oval-RX7
This was the best thread for a newbie. I just bought a black 85 RX7 for $400 from a very desperate individual (needed cash). It wouldn't idle, I hooked up all vacuum lines with new line and now it flooded itself. When I got the car the air cleaner was off and in the back of the car. So I'm suspecting untrained hands were messing with the carb. Jets turned out to far etc. will be looking tomorrow. Is there any info available for removing the EGR components. I'm told that's what is done for racing.
We intend to Asphalt Oval Race this car for now. We have been running VW's against the Honda's and Geo's but have been unable to win this season and the number of wins was dropping off. I searched the archives under racing and got about 33 hits but they were pretty much not informative. In order to run this car we have to stay with stock ports but can do carb work and headers. Won in a VW now I want to win in a Mazda Rotary. Simple improvements are what we are after. Get to weigh 2250 lbs too.
We intend to Asphalt Oval Race this car for now. We have been running VW's against the Honda's and Geo's but have been unable to win this season and the number of wins was dropping off. I searched the archives under racing and got about 33 hits but they were pretty much not informative. In order to run this car we have to stay with stock ports but can do carb work and headers. Won in a VW now I want to win in a Mazda Rotary. Simple improvements are what we are after. Get to weigh 2250 lbs too.
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Well I haven't touched the car for days since I have been busy and using a car I borrowed...Another RX7 my buddy had...
So its been about 3 days since I tried starting it and it has been sitting with the spark plugs removed from the motor.......
so today I put the plugs in and sprayed some starting fluid in the carb and carnked it with out turning on the fuel pump, not expecting it to start.........when.....It started to fire up and run on one rotor.......I freaked out not wanting it to stall out and flood again so i sprayed some more starting fluid in the carb and I opened up the throttle and then rotor 1, the rotor that was not making compression started to fire as it revved to about 3k rpm..........
Oh yeah.........It's on and poppin......It's done......it sounds awesome open header with the lightweight flywheel on it......It revs up somewhat like a motorcycle now.....
It sounded so nice with the exhaust disconnected at the header flange........
So this thread is now closed.......It's all done........
I learned from my mistakes.......Yes it is possible to over De-flood a motor........
And when you do make sure yor plugs are cleaned off to look like new or just get new plugs......
So its been about 3 days since I tried starting it and it has been sitting with the spark plugs removed from the motor.......
so today I put the plugs in and sprayed some starting fluid in the carb and carnked it with out turning on the fuel pump, not expecting it to start.........when.....It started to fire up and run on one rotor.......I freaked out not wanting it to stall out and flood again so i sprayed some more starting fluid in the carb and I opened up the throttle and then rotor 1, the rotor that was not making compression started to fire as it revved to about 3k rpm..........
Oh yeah.........It's on and poppin......It's done......it sounds awesome open header with the lightweight flywheel on it......It revs up somewhat like a motorcycle now.....
It sounded so nice with the exhaust disconnected at the header flange........
So this thread is now closed.......It's all done........
I learned from my mistakes.......Yes it is possible to over De-flood a motor........
And when you do make sure yor plugs are cleaned off to look like new or just get new plugs......
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Bro i have the same car and i think you may have a similar problem to what i had, I havent 100% read all the text of the other guys but on your Dizzy have you checked the Electronic Modules one of them may have been blown..
Ill wait for reply...Let me know
Ill wait for reply...Let me know
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Originally Posted by '83*Rx7Maz#
Bro i have the same car and i think you may have a similar problem to what i had, I havent 100% read all the text of the other guys but on your Dizzy have you checked the Electronic Modules one of them may have been blown..
Ill wait for reply...Let me know
Ill wait for reply...Let me know
I had already checked those when I started the thread........I am familiar with that happening....
As I posted on one of the days I was in here I tested spark and all plugs were fine.
So anyway i got it started like a week and a half ago......
RotaRX7 showed up just after....
I let it sit with the spark plugs out for almost 4 days because I was just busy.....
SO I got new plugs, put them in, left the fuel pump off, sprayed some starting fluid in the carb then tried to fire it using a remote starter trigger(piece of wire from the starter to the battery, hahah).
It fired up and I could instantly tel it was running on one rotor, since Rotor 2 was making compression and I knew rotor 1 was not.
I didn't want to take my hand off the throttle on the carb because I did not want to have it die out again at this point......
So instead of running to turn on the fuel pump I just fed it some starter fluid and I revved it up and then rotor 1 started to fire right away and it was done.......The headers were not connected, what a great sound......hahah All the smoke from the oil sitting in the headers from deflooding it made for quite a show........
So the next day the compression was checked and it was fine on both rotors.....................So what happened you ask???
I tried deflooding it to many times and I just had way to much oil and gas sitting on the rotors keeping it from sealing......wow, I really am a DumbAzz.....
On to other news..........The Ole skewl Bash in Torrance today at Ricky and Ronnies diner was very nice........The weather was great and it was perfect for checking out all the hot R100's, Rx2's, 3's, and Repus, even the ugly Rx4's and 5s were looking good.
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