You cant get too discouraged.
Sure,our cars can make 50% more power with some basic add-ons.....but sh*t,even the most bargain basement stripped out econbox makes more than 101HP these days.
The 1st gen was always intended to get the 100hp 12A because it was meant to be nimble and lithe....not a drag racer.The fuel thirsty nature of the rotary didnt help when the engineers were deciding on the 12A or bigger 13B.
If you can beat your buddy by bolting on a bunch of add-ons,then thats great....but youll only be making up for 20 years of technology and a big displacement deficet.
With the power potential of the engine he's running in that MarkVIII,if he decides to make mods and pump it up,then all the work you did to beat him will be wasted and he'll plaster you with ease.

 

bridgeport,exhaust,race tires

you should be able to beat him with only that

 

You could always swap an engine like his into your car, lol.

 

when i stole my gpops mark VIII one day to go down to the track i ran a 15.0 with it so if you can beat that your in haha, that and the car had over 350k miles on it so yea

 

The key word in this sentence is "grandpa's" He may have a V8 that's slightly faster than your RX7, but in the end, he's still driving an old fart mobile. It's like this stupid kid I used to work with that had a Crown Vic, He would brag about how fast his POS was, untill he asked me what this knocking noise was when he started the car. I think he drives an Elantra now.

 

So he can beat a 1.1 Ltr engine. Big Deal! It's like a 400 pound Sumo stitting on a 100 pound person.

It's not a accurate comparison. 2 totally different types of Automobiles.
What difference does it really make that he can beat you in a drag race?

You want to be the Winner in this case. Just let him be the winner in his mind. Use reverse Psychology on him and tell him it's no use to race because you know you would lose. That will frustrate him even more. Don't let him control you emotionally, that is what he is looking for. He wants you to get all bent out of shape over this. :-)

 

Race him on a track, then see who laughs

 

First off theres no way he ran a 15.5 in that car unless he has something done to it. Assuming it's a bone stock car you could beat him by doing this.

Keep your nikki carb get a header (100 bux on ebay) and a good flowing exhaust. Do your little 2nd gen coil mod and buy a used N20 wet kit (I paid 200 bux for mine). And your done.

Don't tell him it's installed and just spray the car with a 75 shot(I use the 1300cc motorcycle jetting charts.) Thats actually what the N20 tech recommended on my 12A. Just make sure you have 91/93 octane and retard your timing 2* or so and you'll be golden. That poor grandma car won't know what hit it! 12a's don't put out much power but they can take quite a bit of abuse.

With the above mods U should be in the 15 second range. Still pretty slow but enough to win.

I'd do a street ported 13b NA setup and spray that. Should get U in the 13's... Or if U have 5 grand or so, a TII swap is the way to go IMO.

And if that doesn't work I really like the oil in the gas tank trick! Let most of the air out of all 4 of his tires (like 15psi per tire) that'll slow him down too!

Good luck!

 

simple way to beat him meet him in the parking lot, tell him you want to check his trunk for a bottle of nos(i know thats a brand name) when hes not looking wack the area of the trunk where the gas door is. it will shut off his fuel pump (i forget the name of the switch your triggering). it woun't break hit car so don't worry. then when he trys to start his car and cant tell him you win cause he broke his car on the way to the track. after he freaks out for a bit tell him to pop his trunk pull back the carpet and press the red button the fuel pump will work and his car will start.

 

I was thinking the same exact thing. If he's challeng you to a race, then he is really insecure or at least ignorant about his car. We have a 12a with header in the FB and a 13b in the vert. My coworker's Mark VII will smoke both of them and his car is stock except for flowmaster mufflers. I am talking basically my car and his car being basically stock except for each having a slight exhaust mod. His car has the 5.0 HO. (302HO). The Mark VIII has the DOHC 4.6 Cobra motors in them and move the cars pretty quick. Any mods that he does, even slight mods will show lots of results.

Tell him you are not going to waste yours or his time. Let him have the big head. It will get bitten off when he talks to the wrong person

Later,
Bill

 

Keep in mind guys, The MKVII even in LSC trim was slow compared to the MKVIII. Don't get them mixed up. The MKVIII is a T-bird/Cougar chassis. (not the older fox chassis) They are deceptively quick.

 

A MKVIII in good shape would probably walk an FB around a road course. Faster car, better suspension, better brakes, etc. Time marches on.

 

yea his is th LSC version too...hes just so cocky and thinks his car is the fastest because it has a mustang motor in it....and guys i dont tihnk im gonna swap my motor seein as how its got 30k original miles....body and engine

 

You're fighting a losing battle against most newer cars if you don't get some type of engine swap.

 

it just depends on what kind of racing you do....people talked mad smack about my 12a and then they would go to take a corner and i would make them look stupid. It all depends on how you drive it...

 

buy an FD then show him up.

 

I like how everyone says things like "those cars are fast" and never gives any real information...


http://www.exoticcarsite.com/0-60-qu...mile-times.htm

280 hp.... 290 in the LSC.

1993 Lincoln Mark VIII 7.1 15.4
1995 Lincoln Mark VIII 7.6 15.8
1996 Lincoln Mark VIII 7.2 15.4
1998 Lincoln Mark VIII LSC 7.0 15.3

Wow these cars are really fast! I don't see them running 14's though?

Either way if U can hook up at all a 2600lb car with 175 WHP should run around a 14.30. Not sure how much your FB weighs with U in it, but I think a 75 shot w/ a header and exhaust should still whoop up on a Mark VIII?

At least according to this 1/4 mile calculator...

http://www.dragsource.com/index.php?...s&calctoview=5

 

I'm amazed this thread is still here. Usually anything not technical enough, gets moved to the lounge, where it "belongs".

 

Gotta love mag-racers and people who use 1/4 mile calculators, lol. All you need to do is look at most of the times people are putting down in the 1/4 mile thread to realize that this is a losing battle.

 

I love people who argue with physics.... Makes them look so intelligent. And calling me a mag racer? Please... I've got a 10 second, pump gas, street driven rx-7. And built the whole thing by myself. What do you drive?

If U know the exact weight and HP @ the wheels the car is making you can get a pretty damn close guess to there 1/4 time. It's called math and it works......

If someone can't run a 14 sec run with a full exhaust 12A and a 75 shot of N20 then that person can't drive or the car has problems elsewhere. Power to weight is key here and the rx-7 has this car beat almost 2:1.

My 80k original miles GS ran a 16.50 @ 83mph. This is a full weight car with a huge glassed in speaker box, Amps stereo all AC equipment, spare tire etc.. and no mods. Still had factory exhaust & cats as well. I launched the car like a baby because I didn't want to break anything.

Since, I have installed a header a removed the cats the car picked up quite a bit. I haven't been back to the track w/ it yet because I'm usually in my other rx. But I'll make sure to go some time soon and report back. I also am running an 80 shot on the car now. If it doesn't run a 14.xx I'd be very surprised. On the down side, I think my clutch is slipping since I moved up from the 50 shot to the 80. I may have to fix this before I can get my 14 sec run.

Either way, my point is don't doubt your little FB. With the right tasteful mods U can beat up on that lincoln.

 

A few years ago I raced a co-workers 94 MarkVIII with my 90 Celica GT which I would say is comparable to a FB 12A in straight line acceleration. I was able to take him off the line until we reached 40mph due to my manual and his auto, he then started to pull away signifigantly. I would say those mid 15 1/4 mile times are accurate. My Celica ran a 16.5 at the track.

 

You could always do a TII swap and then you wouldn't have to even worry about lincolns and could focus on taking down camaros and mustangs...

 

[QUOTE=vxturboxv;7366175]I love people who argue with physics.... Makes them look so intelligent. And calling me a mag racer? Please... I've got a 10 second, pump gas, street driven rx-7. And built the whole thing by myself. What do you drive?

You obviously have never driven anything other than your RX-7. I have driven many MKVII and MKVIII. Horsepower is not the be all end all. It is the amount of torque these engines put out. My stock 70,000 mile 85GS has NO torque, and neither does anybody elses. You can do all the mods you want to it and it will never produce torque in significant numbers. But guess what, you only need torque to push around land yachts like the Lincoln. Not a light weight RX-7.

What do I drive?
My daily drivers

2004 F150 (vortech supercharged.)
1985 RX-7 GS
1981 Corvette (built 350, eats my rx-7 for lunch)

some older cars I had or do not drive routinely anymore

2003 F150 Lightning (Easy engine mods, low 12's all day long, 11.9's on cool mornings.) SOLD!
1982 MKVII project car (460 swap)
1979 280ZX SOLD!
1972 Jaguar XJ6
1988 T-Bird Turbo Coupe
The list goes on and on

So anyway, I can tell you that my RX-7 is one of the slowest cars I have or ever have had. but it is one of the most fun and has personality. The amount of non-rotary bashing that goes on in this forum makes me want to stop reading it altogether. The rx-7 is cool because of what it is. Alot of other cars are bad-*** for the same reason.

 

Man, talk about giving someone false hope. I also didn't see anything in the OP's post that made me think he wanted a 75-80 shot on his car. I love my rx7, I really do; however, N/A rx7's are slow cars. They are fun, but slow. Very slow. Look in the 1/4 mile thread above for the results of modding these cars. There are a whole lot of "old family cars" that would slaughter most stock rx7's. SHO's, MKVIII's, Thunderbird T/C or SC's, Auroras, a bunch of Cadillacs, etc. The FB is a driver's car; a car for someone to enjoy driving around. It's a low-end sports car. If you want a fast car, you can pay a lot of money for a "fake" GN engine and then bitch about it online. Another option is to just realize that talking **** about someone's slow car is something a highschooler would do. My rides are a 1985 GS and a GSX-R 1000, so I guess there's no way I can understand 10second 1/4 mile times.

EDIT: Also, do you have a degree in physics? Do you understand that the relationship between power/weight and 1/4 mile times isn't linear? Do you understand what a torque curve is? Do you understand the concept of gear ratios? Do you understand suspension? Do you understand traction? Do you understand that there are way too many variables for your silly attempt at oversimplifying physics?

 

Closed for obvious reasons. :-(