what is the lowest offset wheel possible on GSL-SE
Before anyone yells search, I have been searching for days and all I'm getting is a ton of confusion on this. I have a GS converted to GSL-SE suspension so.......... My question is, what is the lowest offset wheel I can run on a GSL-SE with stock fenders without rubbing. I'm planning to use 15x7 wheels all around. I am trying to get as close to the fenders as possible without rubbing. (on the front I have coil overs with new perches welded on) I have read alot of threads with people yelling +38 offset because that is stock for the gsl-se but I'm not buying that. I don't see how you can have any kind of a lip on the wheels with that offset. that's like a front wheel drive offset.
I am not willing to put flares so please don't include those choices. I would be willing to roll the fenders so please specify if fender rolling is required with your suggested offsets. the lowest offset I have found in the search function is a +27 on a gsl-se. Has anyone tried anything lower? Pics appreciated. thanks |
Hmmmm, I'm thinking due to my turbo motor, I might want to run 8 inchers in the back, if you could also give a recommended offset for the rear running an 8 inch wheel. thanks
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i think 4.5 inch backspace would do well for you
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i'm pretty sure that an 8 inch wheel with 0 offset wll fit.
hell, from what i measured, you should be able to fit a 10 inch wide wheel with 0 offset, going to stick out a little though |
Originally Posted by thunkrd
(Post 9278948)
i think 4.5 inch backspace would do well for you
Check out Kentetsus car, if i remember correctly he has 4 inch backspacing on 8 inch wheels and they stick out a bit. |
Thanks for the info so far guys. I am looking for the wheel to sit as close to the fender as possible without rubbing (that means no sticking out). I'll roll the fenders if needed. The car is lowered with Re speed adjustables front and rear. Zero offset will not work. I tried a set that my friend had on his corolla. With zero offset, they stuck out an inch or 2. Keep the ideas coming.
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the explorer wheels i have fit nicely :D 15x7 4.5 backspace but they are 5 lug, they clear the coilovers with no modifying on 195 50s, going to try 205 50 next
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gsl-se wheel offset
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stock offset for a gsl-se is +40. i have 16x7 with +40 offset and 205 /50/16 tires and have about 1/4 in clearance on the front strut
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In the front I am running 17x8 with a 22mm offset AND a 3mm spacer for a total offset of 19mm.
I had to roll the fenders but they fit FLUSH... no sticking out of any sort. In the rear I am running 17x9 with a 27mm offset. They stick out about 3mm so I have tires that are stretched a little for clearance.. I believe with a 15 or 16 inch rim we could probably get away with 20mm with no issues. L8R http://i293.photobucket.com/albums/m...w/IMG_7584.jpg http://i293.photobucket.com/albums/m...Specwheels.jpg |
(X)x10 +25 would fit but would be "flush" fitment.
dont listen to the "i measured it out" people, if you havent tried it. i dont want to to hear it. |
Originally Posted by lwnslw
(Post 9280570)
In the front I am running 17x8 with a 22mm offset AND a 3mm spacer for a total offset of 19mm.
I had to roll the fenders but they fit FLUSH... no sticking out of any sort. In the rear I am running 17x9 with a 27mm offset. They stick out about 3mm so I have tires that are stretched a little for clearance.. I believe with a 15 or 16 inch rim we could probably get away with 20mm with no issues. L8R http://i293.photobucket.com/albums/m...w/IMG_7584.jpg http://i293.photobucket.com/albums/m...Specwheels.jpg Is your car a GSL-SE or the suspension been swapped to the SE? I just have to double check because the offsets differ for the SE. thanks |
iirc lwnslw has 5 lug as well, so i don't think it really matters...
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Originally Posted by thunkrd
(Post 9281983)
iirc lwnslw has 5 lug as well, so i don't think it really matters...
I would consider upgrading to 5 lug if I could find the wheels that I want in the proper offset. |
I have a set of 15x7 Enkei's with a 0 offset that fit well, no rubbing.
http://i265.photobucket.com/albums/i...61974_4935.jpg |
Originally Posted by whitey85mtu
(Post 9282234)
I have a set of 15x7 Enkei's with a 0 offset that fit well, no rubbing.
http://i265.photobucket.com/albums/i...61974_4935.jpg |
about flush. That's my old car that rusted out. I need to repair one of the wheels for my new car.
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the respeed bb kit should make it similar to the se. i tried a few wheels, but i am a college student and don't have much money... also the se wheels are 14x5.5 +40 so they should be about 4.25? stock fc wheels were like 15x6.5 +40. which would be 5.25?
Backspacing makes more sense to me, offset just confuses me i guess the explorer wheels are +27 |
Originally Posted by driftking777
(Post 9280829)
(X)x10 +25 would fit but would be "flush" fitment.
dont listen to the "i measured it out" people, if you havent tried it. i dont want to to hear it. |
Originally Posted by driftking777
(Post 9283581)
Wanted to correct myself as i realized my calc was wrong. It would be a +3 offest, not 25 offset like i said previously.
What does the 10 in your calculation signify? It can't be 10 inch wide wheel is it? thanks |
Originally Posted by thunkrd
(Post 9282706)
the respeed bb kit should make it similar to the se. i tried a few wheels, but i am a college student and don't have much money... also the se wheels are 14x5.5 +40 so they should be about 4.25? stock fc wheels were like 15x6.5 +40. which would be 5.25?
Backspacing makes more sense to me, offset just confuses me i guess the explorer wheels are +27 All I know is the less the offset number, the more the wheels stick out. I'm not too sure about backspacing or how to use offset with backspace to get proper size. |
Originally Posted by RotaryRevn
(Post 9282310)
Your car looks goooood. I want to go for mesh wheels. My car will sit alot lower than yours though. Those 0 offset wheels stick out past the fenders correct?
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Originally Posted by RotaryRevn
(Post 9284059)
(X)x10 +25 would fit but would be "flush" fitment
What does the 10 in your calculation signify? It can't be 10 inch wide wheel is it? thanks http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d1...eiTestFit4.jpg |
Originally Posted by driftking777
(Post 9284895)
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Yea word to the wise, Im running a Toyota Rear end, My setup is actually a 17x10 +18, however, This rear end is 1/2 inch longer per side, thus my reference to +3 offset to fit.
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RotaryRvn,
YES..my car is an original GSL-SE. I installed RE-Speed's big brake kit both Front and Rear (complete with Moser axles) with TII calipers and disc all around. The offset did NOT change with the conversion as everything still is pretty much in stock location. As stated, the rear wheels do stick out about 2mm but with stretched tires it is a good fit. The front fit fine with the setup on it now, they are flush with the fenders. All 4 fenders have been rolled for better clearance. On another note... I had 0 offset Panasports that I tried on the car prior to my 5-lug conversion and they stick out past the fenders on a true GSL-SE. It has been discussed on here before and 0 offset's will NOT work on a GSL-SE. They will work on all other FB's. L8R |
who is right?
Originally Posted by whitey85mtu
(Post 9282234)
I have a set of 15x7 Enkei's with a 0 offset that fit well, no rubbing.
http://i265.photobucket.com/albums/i...61974_4935.jpg This totally doesn't agree with the next quote... |
Originally Posted by lwnslw
(Post 9286989)
RotaryRvn,
YES..my car is an original GSL-SE. I installed RE-Speed's big brake kit both Front and Rear (complete with Moser axles) with TII calipers and disc all around. The offset did NOT change with the conversion as everything still is pretty much in stock location. As stated, the rear wheels do stick out about 2mm but with stretched tires it is a good fit. The front fit fine with the setup on it now, they are flush with the fenders. All 4 fenders have been rolled for better clearance. On another note... I had 0 offset Panasports that I tried on the car prior to my 5-lug conversion and they stick out past the fenders on a true GSL-SE. It has been discussed on here before and 0 offset's will NOT work on a GSL-SE. They will work on all other FB's. L8R |
Originally Posted by RotaryRevn
(Post 9279698)
Thanks for the info so far guys. I am looking for the wheel to sit as close to the fender as possible without rubbing (that means no sticking out). I'll roll the fenders if needed. The car is lowered with Re speed adjustables front and rear. Zero offset will not work. I tried a set that my friend had on his corolla. With zero offset, they stuck out an inch or 2. Keep the ideas coming.
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it will rub on a stock gslse 15x7 +10 rubs with 205 50 15... even with rolled fenders
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I'd imagine. Even though my car is lowered, a 14x6.5 with -10 offset rubber the fenders.
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ill be running 16x8.5s -6
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lol fenderflares
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Originally Posted by Rotarx7
(Post 10263592)
ill be running 16x8.5s -6
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Originally Posted by thunkrd
(Post 10263554)
it will rub on a stock gslse 15x7 +10 rubs with 205 50 15... even with rolled fenders
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Originally Posted by sevens4me
(Post 10263747)
Thank You! But what about 0 offset?
I don't have the perfect offset figured out yet but I do have a set of 16x7 +25 and 16x8 +26 but I don't have time to test fit them just yet. I have a strong feeling 15x7 +25 is about as low as you can go on a 7" wheel without the wheels coming past the fenders. Hopefully one day we will get to the bottom of this discussion once and for all. If you didn't lower your car, they might not rub but they would stick past the fender. |
15x7 +20 should fit nicely
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I just put on a set of 15X8 with a +15 offset. They stick out just a tad but should work. My fenders are rolled. I would imagine with an 8 inch wheel a + 20 would be ideal.
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Allright, thanks for the relevant input, guys. So if I got this right, a positive 20 or 25 would be about the limit for an all stock SE. Forgive my ignorance, I've been searching, that's why I brought this thread back, but the more positive in offset you go, the more "clearance" you'll get at the fenders, correct? Thanks again.
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i'll make it simple. offset is the location of the hub to the wheel. 0 offset would put the hub directly in the middle of the wheel. make the number higher, the hub/face of the wheel will move forward. negative offset will do the opposite. the effects of offset wilk change depending on the width of the wheel. that's why most serious people will opt to use backspacing.
backspace is the distance of the hub to the back edge of the wheel. so nomatter how wide the wheel is, the backspace will stay cobstant. they each have their own uses. |
i hope my post is legible.i hate the mobile version of this site. it's nearly impossible to see what you type and youcan't edit it after you hit enter...
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Originally Posted by sevens4me
(Post 10264191)
Allright, thanks for the relevant input, guys. So if I got this right, a positive 20 or 25 would be about the limit for an all stock SE. Forgive my ignorance, I've been searching, that's why I brought this thread back, but the more positive in offset you go, the more "clearance" you'll get at the fenders, correct? Thanks again.
I think my fins are APPROX. +33 with 195 tires and if I didn't have the negative camber up front, and if the car was lower, I think they would be close to rubbing in the front (my fenders aren't rolled yet). |
Originally Posted by sevens4me
(Post 10264191)
Allright, thanks for the relevant input, guys. So if I got this right, a positive 20 or 25 would be about the limit for an all stock SE. Forgive my ignorance, I've been searching, that's why I brought this thread back, but the more positive in offset you go, the more "clearance" you'll get at the fenders, correct? Thanks again.
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You can play around with this program to visual see what's going on
http://www.rimsntires.com/rt_specs.jsp |
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These are the 15X8 +15 offset for your reference.
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Originally Posted by HadaGSL-SE
(Post 10266701)
These are the 15X8 +15 offset for your reference.
hoang your car looks awesome by the way!!!! |
Thanks I like it.
I am running Re Speed Coilovers in the front and have just about one inch (maybe 3/4") in the front. Close to 2 inches in the rear. I am much more worried about rubbing the fenders than the springs right now. Initial test drive revealed no rubs but the next autocross might prove me wrong. |
Originally Posted by HadaGSL-SE
(Post 10266949)
Thanks I like it.
I am running Re Speed Coilovers in the front and have just about one inch (maybe 3/4") in the front. Close to 2 inches in the rear. I am much more worried about rubbing the fenders than the springs right now. Initial test drive revealed no rubs but the next autocross might prove me wrong. |
+25 would be 10mm closer which equals 3/8 of an inch.
It should work but will probably depend on the tire you run. Mine are 205/50/15 Hankook Ventus Road Racing Tires that came with the wheels. I drove it around last night and didnt have any problems. |
Originally Posted by HadaGSL-SE
(Post 10266701)
These are the 15X8 +15 offset for your reference.
Sorry for the thread jack. |
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Originally Posted by t_g_farrell
(Post 10267944)
I spy a spark yellow back there in the garage Greg. How's it going? Does sparky live?
Sorry for the thread jack. This guy (5.0 Miata) dominated almost all my time. We ran it at the Grassroots Challenge two weekends ago. |
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