leif

what the ****? do the guys who put together that rotary mag even know that there was a first gen RX-7...there were 400,000 imported to the us...dont we represent a large chunk of the market? and yet they didnt even mention the first gen in that first issue!

maybe we should start a FB mag! we could do it in powerpoint and have an e-mag...Who is with me! Make our own FB mag!

hornbm

Settle down, its just the first issue. And besides their talking about performance engine mods and such. When we do this half the time we grab an engine from a new 7 or cosmo anyway, so most of the information is quite useful. Also theres alot more aftermarket accessories for the second gens and up, which seem to make up a good chunk of the magazine. They'll have some first gen stuff in there, be patient.

CheddaKing

I was thinking the same thing... but the fact that i have a TII motor in my FB, like hornmb mentioned, still makes me want to subscribe... Still, if your so upset about the lack of FB's(or SA's) then send in some pics of your car! If its bad enough, I'm sure They'll find some room for it!

81Rex6port13b

lol.. i looked at it too. i was considering making a thread about the same thing.. altho not take such a hostile aproach lol...

any whoo the mag looks good. i was disapointed to see it was basicly geared to FC and FD owners... for a first issue i would have like to seen a bit of every thing to get every one interested. like FD,FC,FB/SA, other RX's, and maybe a roatary truck.. but i do see that the majoraty of rotary owners are FC and FD people so it would make sence that they would feature that in it more than the older cars.

I say for a how to for the mag.. do like a 3 issue spread of a "how to TII swap in an FB Budget style" lol

or even "how to do an GSL-SE suspention swap on your first gen"

eh just my $.02

Sterling

Actually, I'm a little pissed off about it myself.
But then again, I'm just generally always pissed off about something, right?
Seriously-
Our precious FBs are going to go the way of black and white half-page ads making available paper-thih after-market fenders and such...like you see for bugs and jeeps.

You watch...Paul Yaw, who I respect for his knowledge and expertice, but scincerely feel has turned his back on the FB crowd from which he came and turned his attention 100% to the Rx-8, will be all over that magazine.

Enter the rotary revolution. You all asked for the day, and now it's finally here- but alas! - Its arrival has nothing to do with your asking!
It's just the tip of the iceberg. We're phased out, gentlemen! In with the new, out with the old. And we're old.
Just because it's a magazine about rotaries doesn't mean it's about FBs.

Buy the magazine subscription. Then write a gripe-letter to them. Enough of us tugging at their tails should get us a page or two per month.

...I gotta wonder if that stupid "voting" form I filled out about this magazine while it was still in it's proposed state ever really mattered.

JAMES-RX-007

Just what magazine are we talking about here? Are you refering to the past thread..
https://www.rx7club.com/forum/showth...hreadid=218315

bizarro

iTrader: (1)

anyone notice the featured car in the sept release of the magazine?

XLR8

iTrader: (52)

Is it really that suprising? There are generally more FC and FD owners, parts, suppliers, and fans in general. Will they have any articles on modding your Rx2? Doubtful but possible. Look at Sport Compact Car and Supertuner, the only glimpse of the word rotary you get to see is stappled to a FD with a narly kit and wing! FLashy is popular, and FB's are mostly 20 years old now and not considered too flashy anymore.

Personally I think when owning an older obscure sports car such as ours you have to anticipate the obvious lack of aftermarket support. Its not too bad with companies like Mazdatrix, RacingBeat, and CPracing supplying inovative products for 1st generation RX7s. However, the need for support and technical discussion is something that every enthusiast craves! I don't think we are going to get a lot from a magazine.......I know the #1 place I get my project help.......Right here!!

I think the idea of a Rotary subscription magazine is excellent and long overdue!!

Glazedham42

iTrader: (4)

The FB gets the shaft again, par for the course if you ask me.....

fatboy7

Lets face the facts guys. First, 1st gens are old even for rotary powered cars. Second, There are fewer enthusiasts owning first gens than 2nd or 3rd gens. Third, due to poor aftermarket support there isn't that much a magazine can do for cheap (e.i. freebie/discount goods, in exchange for advertiseing of aftermarket goods). Dumpster diving (junk yards) mods just aren't cool enough to really write much about. Fourth, they probably will support first gens, just proportionally to our average expendable income. So since we typically have less cash for mods than the third gen owners we naturally shouldn't expect as much support.

leif

there were 400,000 FBs imported into the us alone....given the industry average for 75% survival, thats still 300,000 FBs on the road...thats more that all the FCs and FDs put together....thats alot of cars with alot of owners...the FB represents great value...where elts can you get a nice car that will do what ours can do? i raised my hp by 50% with $200 will a civic do that? no, will a FC do that? no! there are alot of us...there si a market for the aftermarket...what we lack in glitz we make up for in shere numbers!

I want to start an online mag...something with mods, stories...featured cars...old articles from C&D and R&T from '79 and '80...an all FB mag! But i need help...i want to do it in powerpoint, and e-mail it out once a month...or once every 2 depending on how much we can get and how much time i have...any one wanna help?

vipernicus42

iTrader: (4)

Calm down guys!

I'm definitely going to get a subscription if they send it to Canada, due to the fact that we have to have a rotary magazine! However, I'm not going to let us stay un-mentioned.

Remember, the magazine will be driven by it's subscriber base and it's feedback. I was impressed at the work these guys are doing, and will whole-heartedly support it, if only to be able to see a rotary magazine on the racks.

We have plenty of performance mods for the 1st gen, big and small, and everything in between:

- TII swaps
- performance carbs of all types (holley, dellorto, weber, modded nikki)
- porting (would actually be generall for all 7s, but a special section for the 12a would be nice)
- how to remove the rats nest could become an article
- Installing an e-fan
- OMP rebuilding made easy (good for first AND second gen I believe)
- DLIDFIS would make a great article
- Premixing and OMP-add-on-resivoir for two-stroke oil
- there's an exhaust article for 3rd gens, we could have one with an RB exhaust, or "make your own ghetto exhaust" setup in a later issue
- choosing a good clutch setup for your FB
- choosing performance suspension
- FB rims, hard to find, but great looking!
- Prepping your FB for e-test
- e-test exempt performance mods! (along with the rats nest, exhaust, removing emissions crap from your carb, AAB valve)

and plenty of others!


And we can get lots of info from general articles like:
- Performance Air filters of all types, like that thread that was here a few days ago
- Car polishing, tires, general stuff


I'm pretty sure they just need to see that we're interested in the magazine, and they probably need some volunteers from our forum to write good, descriptive but short, quality articles with good pictures. Knowing us, we'd probably insist on allowing our forum section access to the articles at least maybe a month or two after they're published.

C'mon guys! You gotta admit, it's better to buy and support a rotary magazine which doesn't focus completely on us than to give up and start subscribing to Chevy Monthly!

Just my Canadian Nickle (american $0.02)

Jon

diablone

iTrader: (2)

What are any of you basing your comments towards the magazine from? The downloadable copy from the website was nothing more than a design concept shown at 7Stock. Several parts don't even have real words.

vipernicus42

iTrader: (4)

These guys hopefully are donig what a lot of people have failed and will fail to do - publish and continue publishing a national/international magazine of any quality.

It's not an easy feat to publish a magazine, you need a lot of material to keep you going, a good potential subscriber base, and advertising cash to fund you.

There are definitely enough FB subscribers to give an FB mag a good run, but a magazine would stand MUCH more of a chance of staying in the market with all rotary enthusiasts behind it. And for those who say that FBs don't have much aftermarket support, I say:
- Racing Beat for exhausts, carbs, springs
- Mazdatrix for TONS of great FB stuff
- Eibach springs, Tokico shocks are both VERY common
- K&N all over the place


Alot of the ads for rotary general apply to us. The RX magazine is the way to go, we just have to get them to put a little more FB and it'll be *awesome*

how much you wanna bet that the people who wrote the first few issues, are 2nd and 3rd gen owners who just didn't have enough material.

fatboy7

Although I'd like to believe that figure, I very highly doubt there are still that many on the road. I'd guess that the 100,000 you refer to is due to accidents. That I'd believe, but the elements start to take a much heavier toll as the years progress. I sure don't see enough around here to account for the remaining 300,000.
In any case, this magazine is really only targeting enthusiasts, and if this board is any show of the number of 1st gen enthusiasts, were in the minority....

fatboy7

What we have is great and I appreciate every vendor. Even looking at that list, has Mazdatrix or Racing Beat made anything new for our cars over the past 1-5 years? They're all practically sitting on old research, and haven't done much at all to further develop these cars. Those that are making new stuff are few and far between. Now compare the stuff made for our cars with stuff made for 2nd and 3rd gens. Then go further, and compare stuff made for DSM's and Honda's. That list is small and sad in comparison.

leif

We do have alot of cars on the road...but most FB oweners i know are either old...(50s) and dont know what the internet is...or are really young, and cant afford the parts....i my self was formerly young and could not afford the parts...so i think we need to go beyond the net.

as for the number of FBs on the road...i think 300,000 is a good estimate...that 75% figure also applies to rust buckets... i own 2...i know a guy who has 30...so thats like 0.0001% accounted for

Northern 7

iTrader: (3)

There is no way in hell there are 75% of these cars still on the road - I'll use another post on this thread for an example:

You must be referring to Fred - Yes he has over 30 FB's and they are all parts cars (he may have a couple running). So using that math in the other direction, that's about 6% of Fred's cars that are actually road worthy and that number is closer to the truth than 75% (IMHO)

Sterling

It's all about who they are trying to appeal to.
Like I said, I think they may think we all represent either the older crowd or the poorer crowd! (lol)
We know from polls here that that's not true.
But this magazine - so far as I've seen from the download - is headed for real rice bling-bling!!!
You watch!

I look forward to recieving my issue of GRMS where old, poor people with FBs are regularly featured, using yard parts to make wild machines for $2K.

-You'll not see any of that in this magazine.

leif

northern 7...you know freddy? i think six is a little low....i would bet that a majority of his cars could be on the road with less than $1000 bucks work...but the point is that there were 400,000 FBs imported...and even if 25% of them are still on the road....thats still a hell of alot...more than the datsun, more than the FD(i think) and probaly more than the FC...

dont you agree? so why if there are so many of these cars around (farnkly i see more first gen RX-7s on the road tahn any oter car i can think of that is that old, northern...look around) aer we so ignored as far as publication goes?

secondly, why dont we do something about it...that was after all the point of this thread...kinda!

Rx7carl

Ever read Grassroots Motorsports magazine?

Northern 7

iTrader: (3)

Hi Leif - I can't recall ever meeting you? We used to get together for meets on sunday nights and that's where i get my impression of how many 1st gens are in this city. Very few were showing up when we did get together - however, there were a ton of FC's.
I've known freddy for several years and I know he's using those cars for parts - sure he can build you one out of a bunch of them but they are still parts cars. A few years ago, he fixed a few up and sold them when he had solid shells to work with. Now most are missing engines or rusting away in his private bone yard.
I'm on my second FB and I'm quite familar with how many are around - not many.
But don't get me wrong - I'd like to see some exposure in any mag - after all, I've always considered the the 1st gen to be the best of the bunch

MosesX605

Come on guys, we all know that SA/FB's aren't real RX-7's. Just like there will never be a SA/FB on the featured car page, the 1st gen will get the short end of the stick in the new mag.

It doesn't really matter anyhow, like RX7Carl said, just read GRM.

leif

where can i find GRM?

leif

Northern...i dont think most people who own FBs even know that a community exists...i didnt even know they made aftermarket parts for them until I found a little RaceBeat add in the back of a R&T. But i still see atleat 1 FB that I dont own a day...and a lot of them are in fairly good shape. can you say the same for any other 20 year car. Im jsut basing this on personal experence, but it would be intresting to go down to MPI and find out how many FB/SAs there atcually are in the city and insured.