for those of you who would like to boost up your milage and learn a thing or two in the process heres a great way.


First get a container that you can fill with water and make sure you would be able to insert 2 carbon rods / pencils, and it would be best if the container went smaller toword the top like a pop bottle


ok to save some time basically when the pencils or carbon rods are run through the water and dc voltage is applied + to one pensil and - to the other the submerged parts will begin to release H2 and O through the process known as electrolisys. H2 is very flammible, and then you tie this into your carb making sure that the carb doesnt suck in water only the gases and boom! it will up your idel by about 100 rpm and will make your system burn cleaner for free!!!! there are tons of designes to make it more efficent

so be careful and have fun!!!

 

The problem with geting the H2 the way you described it, is it takes more energy to extract the H2 than you get out of burning it.

 

not really...... the car is puttin out so much electricity it doesnt matter

 

I watch Family guy every night on adult swim.

 

I saw an interesting theory posited...

much of the power produced by burning gasoline isn't from the chemical expansion of converting liquid gasoline into oxygenated gases... remember one of the byproducts of gasoline is water. when water turns to steam it expands 1800x, versus 900x for burning gasoline.

 

The 4 disk Box set is AMAZING!

 

Interesting...

Two days ago in Tokyo, the news carried a segment saying that Mazda announced they have a hydrogen fueled rotary engine.

That is very cool, because it means they are in step with all the other vendors, with their own technology...now if they can just figure out the fuel system (for any of them)...away we'll go.

BTC

 

Actually not. You cannot create enegry nor can you destroy it. It transfered from one form to another. If your therory was correct, you could use the electricity from the alternator to get the H2 out of the water exhaust and burn it again and never have to refuel. It doesnt work.

BTW family guy kicks *** man!!!! The quote at the bottom of my sig... that was said by the big q-man himself.

 

Recycling it like that would partially work.. you would get maybe a 10% return as most of the energy is converted to heat and what is left is converted to water. So yeah you would basically just end up with a more efficent system than a car that you'd never have to refuel...

 

you also run into the problem, that you need a much richer mixture of the hydrogen to air ratio, verses normal gasoline. If you go look at the talks about the hydrogen rotary engine that mazda is going to be premiering at the tokyo auto show, it talks about how you need high compression, and much more hydrogen in the combustion chamber.

 

Does anybody remeber the WATER POWERED ROTARY engine that was shown here in NYC at the International Auto Show (back sometime in the 90s @ the Javits center in NYC). I distinctly remeber talkin to aLOT of people about that car.
Oh... BTW it was in a Miata body =)

 

yeah mazda has had a few water powered rotary cars since the early 90's.

 

Anybody remember the water injection theories and attempts with carbeurated piston pushers? Working on that 1800x expansion theory. Sounded good but never really caught on.

 

woahhhh......hol up brain cramp coming.......**** thats crazy so water supplies the fuel and the oxygen......holy ****.....don't mind me big ideas get my rotors running at high rpm's :P:

 

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im not saying you get a huge return you just convert all the extra electricity to H2 and O and you will be more effiecent, plus thier are many other ways to extract hydrogen from water, like extreme heat.... but no rotory could produce the heat need and yes water does expland when is rapidly heated, but it can effect the combustion process.


and the family guy dvd set is the smartest thing i have bought in a long while

 

LOL!!!! Another perpetual motion machine!!!! I had a crazy friend that wanted to make a electric car and have wind genators up front, and going down the highway it would spin them and generate electricity to drive the car.

I didn't laugh at his face, I was too stunned to believe anyone would think that would work(and hes got a college engineering degree!!!!). When I got a chance when he wasn't around, I just started rolling on the floor laughing at his stupidity.

The point is, if you can't figure this out: There is no way you can get as much energy out as you put in to generate that energy from another source, unless you figure out a way around physics the way we know it.

 

Far easier to use hydrogen through a fuel cell to create electricity than use electricity to create hydrogen.

 

yeah... the first two laws of thermodyamics are:

You can't win. (you can't create energy)

You can't break even. (you can't convert energy without losing some to entropy)

And for the life of me I can't think of the other one.... grr!

 

as for efficiency, I think a rotary coupled to a circular induction motor (replacing the flywheel, starter, and alternator in one component) would allow you the low-end torque of an electric car with the high end power of an ICE, plus regenerative braking.

 

There's a flaw in your logic,Quagmireman. "Extra electricity". There's no such thing. The more current you pull from the alternator, the harder it drags on the engine. It doesn't "make" any more than is being used.

Kerry

 

"Damn You All" - Stewart Griffin

 

#3 As you approach equilibrium, the process of reaching equilibrium slows asymptotically so you never really get there

If I ever were to meet Carnot, I think I would have to hurt him, how dare he postulate such a ridiculous thing as a carnot engine and not build one for us......

This thread is actually not as BS as it initially seems. There has been a lot of talk about rotaries used in hydrogen fueled vehicles as a more efficient alternative in the future. Of course, the interesting problem is where do you get the hydrogen from? Just like the electric car, where do you get the electricity from and how much fossil fuel does it to take to get that electricity to you and hence is it really more efficient.

This thread reminds me of teaching my nephew to sail - he wanted to know why we could not just put a fan on the back of the boat to blow air into the sails to make us go faster.

 

Exactly, thats the problem with hydrogen fuel. And the reason why we still use fossel fuels, is because we dont have to use enegry to make them.

 

Natural Gas is an excellent source for hydrogen.