V8 conversions ..yes beat to death but?
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Yes, that's all nice said Directfreak, but eh, I always seem to spend more then I was willing :-) But I guesss that's another discussion, and I should probable have that one with my wife, as she goes nuts over my constant lack of money due to the hobbies...
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1985 Mazda RX-7 GSL (Runs like a freaking bat out of hell!/Needs tuning ), stage 4 BNR Supercars s5 turbo and manifold, port matched turbo entrance, ported manifold, p trim , 60-1 compressor wheel, 360 degree thrust package, turbo smart type 2 blow off valve, turbosmart dual stage boost controller with hi/low cabin switch, 1500 cc secondaries,NOS High Pressure/High Volume Fuel Pump, Fram 200 psi fuel filter, Haltech e6k firing s4 t2 coil packs 3 bar map, haltech tps wideband o2, 3" racing beat downpipe, 3" custom exhaust stright back to magnaflow stainless steel muffler, racing beat 17 # flywheel, SPEC stage 3 ceramic 4 puck disc and pressure plate, Atkins thermal pellet replacement, Isuzu large NPR intercooler, custom intercooler piping, flex-a-lite fan cooled Perma cool 450hp oil cooler, stainless steel oil cooler lines, s4 turbo II tranny, racing beat 13b -> 12A engine mount, autometer guages (a/f, egt, 30psi boost/vac) , 0-100 PSI Autometer electric fuel pressure guage, 2nd gen dual A pillar pod, black magic fan, optima red top battery relocated to drivers side storage compartment, custom made 3 inch driveshaft, totally rebuilt steering box with new parts, K & N 3" id, 4-5/8"- 6"x9"L cone filter, taylor custom 8.0 mm race plug wires. Pioneer DEHP740, Pioneer DSP9200, A/D/S 4 channel amp, MTX Terminator series MTA-250 and tons more stuff. Alpine 8040 alarm, with window roll up, power door locks, radar sensor, Impact, motion sensor, all points of entry monitored, 2 way paging system.
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Originally posted by White84SE
Obviously, 200 pounds won't make a difference to Schumacher.. they've done it already and hasn't impacted him... And you want to see a V8 at Le Mans... gee, Corvettes don't count AT ALL do they?
--Danny
Obviously, 200 pounds won't make a difference to Schumacher.. they've done it already and hasn't impacted him... And you want to see a V8 at Le Mans... gee, Corvettes don't count AT ALL do they?
--Danny
A 200lb change (in either direction) would be huge in F1. Jag changed the color of their green paint when they first released the car because the original paint weight a few kilo's more fer cris sake.
BTW, lots of V8's compete at LeMans...the Audis have them, the Caddy (last year for them), the Bentley had one (same as the Audi), and of course the thunderous Panoz.
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If you feel an old chevy can compete with high tech Audis, have a try... I ment: take those V8 RX7's there. Let's face it: unless you'd put a C5 engine or simular in there, you would use an engine that's basicly old-timer worthy. As for the Schumacher/200lbs thing, I want to have him go for a ride with a rotary seven, and a V8 seven, and ask if he feels the difference, in handling terms. Bet he tells you a story there... For those unable to believe: every lbs is one to much, so 200 are going to make a difference.
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Originally posted by rotary emotions
If you feel an old chevy can compete with high tech Audis, have a try... I ment: take those V8 RX7's there. Let's face it: unless you'd put a C5 engine or simular in there, you would use an engine that's basicly old-timer worthy. As for the Schumacher/200lbs thing, I want to have him go for a ride with a rotary seven, and a V8 seven, and ask if he feels the difference, in handling terms. Bet he tells you a story there... For those unable to believe: every lbs is one to much, so 200 are going to make a difference.
If you feel an old chevy can compete with high tech Audis, have a try... I ment: take those V8 RX7's there. Let's face it: unless you'd put a C5 engine or simular in there, you would use an engine that's basicly old-timer worthy. As for the Schumacher/200lbs thing, I want to have him go for a ride with a rotary seven, and a V8 seven, and ask if he feels the difference, in handling terms. Bet he tells you a story there... For those unable to believe: every lbs is one to much, so 200 are going to make a difference.
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Not only is the 200lbs bad, about 9% of the weight of a first gen...give or take, but the location in the nose is not ideal. I would be willing to bet that the car would develop some understeer.
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Mike, you would only add weight to get the balance, but with a unibody RX7 the balance is there. So if you put in extra weight at one end, the balance is gone. Tubeframe is of course not the same, therefor adding weight might be neccesary to get the balance, but I'm sure he won't put extra weight at one end if he could have removed weight at the other end. Like Jaye said: the car will understeer, and get some nice diving action under heavy braking.
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Originally posted by rotary emotions
If you feel an old chevy can compete with high tech Audis, have a try
If you feel an old chevy can compete with high tech Audis, have a try
Also, the Vipers and Vette's that have won at Le Mans were pushrod motors ... oh, and the Ford GT40 ...
My point is, sure, maybe it's old technology, but it still works pretty darn well, and you have to give credit where credit is due.
Also, there is a member on here (who shall remain nameless as I don't want to make him feel obligated to respond) that weighed his 7 at each corner after installing a Ford V8. He ended up with a weight distribution that was extremely close to that of a stock GSL-SE.
Again, my point isn't to say one thing is better than another, because this is all just one giant shade of gray ... however, I feel we should all acknowledge that power is power, however it's made...
Originally posted by Jaye
Saying that the Panozes...as wonderful as they are...can compete with the Audi's is a stretch.
Saying that the Panozes...as wonderful as they are...can compete with the Audi's is a stretch.
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Originally posted by Acuspeed
in the ALMS, the Panoz use pushrod motors.
Also, the Vipers and Vette's that have won at Le Mans were pushrod motors ... oh, and the Ford GT40 ...
in the ALMS, the Panoz use pushrod motors.
Also, the Vipers and Vette's that have won at Le Mans were pushrod motors ... oh, and the Ford GT40 ...
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I was just thinking about comparing my 12A with the latest 280hp 13B because it had the same amount of rotors, but Manntis had a better one...
About the Vette's and Vipers: they won at Le Mans because they had an own class :-)
Like I said before: try to get hold of a C5R engine, we'll talk then. The only reason you can find to use the old V8's is the price. But overhere I'd pay just as much for a decent V8 as for a 20B, and well, no offence, but I know what to choose.(if I could afford either) BTW, I could use a Jaguar V12, but it would be just as out of place.
About the Vette's and Vipers: they won at Le Mans because they had an own class :-)
Like I said before: try to get hold of a C5R engine, we'll talk then. The only reason you can find to use the old V8's is the price. But overhere I'd pay just as much for a decent V8 as for a 20B, and well, no offence, but I know what to choose.(if I could afford either) BTW, I could use a Jaguar V12, but it would be just as out of place.
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Jag V12?...not the older ones they put in the E and S types...they were VERY HEAVY and underpowered.
BTW, has anybody thought of a Buick/Rover 215...smaller and all alumininum with a total weight (carb to oil pan) of about 300lbs with power potential of around 250hp with over 300 lbft of torque. Not that I replace the rotary but that does seem to be a good compromise for a V8 conversion.
BTW, has anybody thought of a Buick/Rover 215...smaller and all alumininum with a total weight (carb to oil pan) of about 300lbs with power potential of around 250hp with over 300 lbft of torque. Not that I replace the rotary but that does seem to be a good compromise for a V8 conversion.
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"Old" V8's can be have fantastic power to weight ratios. Take a sprint car v8...410ci, light weight Donovan aluminum block, Hilborn injection (very cool tall stacks), etc...probably doesn't weigh much more than the 215 but makes about 800 naturally aspirated hp on methanol.
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real racing?opposed to fake racing? (posted on the third page, ive been out of this thread for a little bit) seems to me that drag racing is real racing, as is auto x. its just a different form. its all about power to weight in drag racing. no matter what.. power to weight, and tracktion. autox and road race, yes, alot different. and so what if someone isnt throwing a c5r motor in there.. when people talk about swapping a 13b into a 12a chassis, are they mocked for not going 20b? its a stupid fight. it your want more bang for your buck.. reality.. dont keep a rotary.. i mean look at direct freak and mike. dont get me wrong.. those are peices of work.. my god.. but look at the budget going into those things? not everyone can afford that ****. i know i cant. if my engine were to go tomorrow (knock on wood) it would literally sit in my back yard till i found a v8 or a cheap 12a. whichever was going to cost me less. as much as everyone would love to throw money around everywhere.. you cant. and i believe thats the motive usually when people go v8. not saying anyone is poor, but i wouldnt drop 30k on a 3 rotor conversion, when for 5k i can have a 502 crate motor pushing more torque and hp.
im with EL PAALO, whats the big deal?
im with EL PAALO, whats the big deal?
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i dont see what your guys problems are i have 2 rx-7s and i love them both they are both 1984 , one is black and is i believe a limited edition and the other one is tan, my black one has a 350 in it and my tan one has the stock 12a they tan one runs 17.3`s and its my grocery getter, my 350 however runs 13.5s and i spent around 950 dollars for my conversion, with some freebees and friends, help,, i also love the 2.3 and the turbo is good also, my rotarys going out in my tan one and i might swap anyone have a site info link?? well anyway i love rx-7s and rice burners suck so anything you want to do with an rx-7 is cool with me just dont swap a honda into it.....or kill the body by putting extreme rice effects on it...i dont think of rx-7s as any sort of rice burner, around here (oregon) they are everywhere(rive burners) and its my job to beat them in my 350 rx-7 meanwhile they put thousands of dollars in and are all excited when they hit the mid 16s! wow
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Originally posted by Jaye
FTR, I don't think a big block would fit a 1st gen...
FTR, I don't think a big block would fit a 1st gen...
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Originally posted by Jaye
Jag V12?...not the older ones they put in the E and S types...they were VERY HEAVY and underpowered.
Jag V12?...not the older ones they put in the E and S types...they were VERY HEAVY and underpowered.
One thing: guys, you do realize they had to give the 'Vette's an own class at LM so they could win, yes? Only competition came from the Vipers.
The Bentley got a class win too: only car in the class :-)