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Old Jan 1, 2013 | 09:33 PM
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teaser pics of the 12a turbo

test fitting all the stuff I can right now. Still waiting on my intake manifold from Japan. Wanted to see if the turbo was higher than the oil return. they are dead even. Aluminum oil pan and baffle plate installed. and my heat shield for the turbo came out pretty decent. Hope to have it in the car in a week or two.
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Old Jan 1, 2013 | 10:29 PM
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looking good!! are u going to use a carb?
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Old Jan 1, 2013 | 10:49 PM
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Yup, I'll be using a Weber 48 IDA. I have a short runner intake manifold coming from Japan. Hopefully my friend will get it in the mail today.
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Old Jan 2, 2013 | 02:31 AM
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I have a question about your turbo. How does the downpipe hook up to the turbine housing?
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Old Jan 2, 2013 | 07:24 AM
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Nice!!
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Old Jan 2, 2013 | 11:45 AM
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I have a question about your turbo. How does the downpipe hook up to the turbine housing?
Jeff easier to answer with a picture
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Old Jan 2, 2013 | 11:50 AM
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very cool, what shop do you recommend for carb turbo parts/ tech ? i know you do alot of stuff yourself but you must have a specialty shop you work with..
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Old Jan 2, 2013 | 11:57 AM
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That is really weird looking. I have a turbo with a similar outlet and I don't know what to do about it. Where did you get that connector thing?
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Old Jan 2, 2013 | 12:41 PM
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Very nice indeed!

Porting??

What size turbo?

Expectations?
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Old Jan 2, 2013 | 12:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Shredduuhh
very cool, what shop do you recommend for carb turbo parts/ tech ? i know you do alot of stuff yourself but you must have a specialty shop you work with..
I do alot of business with Robert at Rotaryshack.


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That is really weird looking. I have a turbo with a similar outlet and I don't know what to do about it. Where did you get that connector thing?
It came with the kit I bought. I tried to find a new one while I was in Japan but the tuning shops just looked at me funny. They looked in their catalogs but no one makes them anymore. I cut off the 2.5" downpipe that was connected to it because my exhaust is going to be 3" If you have one that looks the same I would advice finding a V band fitting that is about the same size as the outlet and have it welded on.


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Very nice indeed!

Porting??

What size turbo?

Expectations?
Street ported

To4e

Looking toward 250-300hp oh wait expectations just fun as HELL!!!!!
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I measured the OD of the tube-like outlet and it is very similar to the ID of a thickwall 3" pipe you can find online. I think it was 2.78" vs 2.76" or something like that. The way I'd install it is I'd heat up the pipe and chill the housing. Then tap it on and let the two become the same temp. This is what is called an interference fit I believe. Then I'd weld on some brackets for stability, kinda similar to your backet that bolts up to the oil inlet.

The pipe would be a few inches long, long enough to get a V-band or some sort of flange back there for ease of installation. 3" of course.

Here is a link. Speedy Metals - 3" OD {A} x 2.760" ID {B} x .120" Wall {C} DOM Steel Tube
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I measured the OD of the tube-like outlet and it is very similar to the ID of a thickwall 3" pipe you can find online. I think it was 2.78" vs 2.76" or something like that. The way I'd install it is I'd heat up the pipe and chill the housing. Then tap it on and let the two become the same temp. This is what is called an interference fit I believe. Then I'd weld on some brackets for stability, kinda similar to your backet that bolts up to the oil inlet.

The pipe would be a few inches long, long enough to get a V-band or some sort of flange back there for ease of installation. 3" of course.

Here is a link. Speedy Metals - 3" OD {A} x 2.760" ID {B} x .120" Wall {C} DOM Steel Tube

At first I was looking at finding a V band that would fit over and fill the gap then welding along the inside of the band. Looks like you have a good plan already. (edited) I just looked at my pic again that inside lip isnt very thick when they come to the same temp the tubing might squeeze and crack it maybe?

I'm really looking forward to getting it in the car and fabricating the rest of my exhaust and intercooler piping.

On a really good note. I got a message today that my intake manifold is in the mail!!!!!
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Old Jan 2, 2013 | 03:55 PM
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Yeah I thought it might tend to crack, but the sizes are 2.76 ID in the 3" tube and 2.78" OD on the back of the turbo. That's not that big a difference in actual size. But you're right it is thin iron back there. Like two hundreths.

What to do? I kinda wonder why turbos are still made like this, if you can't get the weird connectors anymore.

I wish I could say the same about my intake manifold. It's a JW from Summit that had to be special ordered. Once it arrives at Summit, they can ship it to me.
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my turbo outlet is the same thing.

i was just going to have a v-band welded on
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what wheels are on your car? They look pretty sweet from what I can see
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Old Jan 3, 2013 | 10:30 PM
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what wheels are on your car? They look pretty sweet from what I can see
look like panasports or konig rewinds


looks like a fun set up when finished
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Old Jan 4, 2013 | 02:48 AM
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what wheels are on your car? They look pretty sweet from what I can see

Rota's. you can find them on eBay. 16x7 and 16x6
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I welded a v band on the original flange. It'll make the down pipe easier to make.

I was welding it on the inside too but I ran outa argon. So only got half of it done on the inside.
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Wow, if only my turbo had one of those things. I'll just get the thickwall tube and call it good.
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Old Jan 4, 2013 | 05:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Jeff20B
Wow, if only my turbo had one of those things. I'll just get the thickwall tube and call it good.
maybe? i think this is what you need.

3" Weld On T04 V-Band Flange : atpturbo.com
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Interesting. Thanks for the link. The problem is it's a really cheap eBay turbo and I don't know much about it, only that I've seen something that looks similar on the back of a Garret to4e once. I can post a link to the eBay turbo so you can see what it looks like. Emusa T04B T4V Band 60AR Trim 63 1 15AR Turbo Charger | eBay

Check out the wheel sizes. Not a bad combination, really. If you're into small turbos that is. I chose it because it's really close to S5 T2 specs. And if it doesn't last long, it's cheap to replace.
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Old Jan 4, 2013 | 07:44 PM
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Mines a Garrett to4e. I have a metric caliper I can give you the measurements if you want. Since its a newer turbo and its states 3" v band. I think that link is what you need. Give the company a call and see if they can give you actual measurements.

I have been meaning to ask. Since you do alot of engine work. Do you need a 4 port 13b IDA intake manifold?
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I don't have access to the Garret t04e. It belongs to a friend who owns the white rotary baja. He thought he was going turbo it but just wants to get it running NA for now. He picked up some 2.5" u-bends from me the other day to do an NA exhaust.

Ok I'll see about contacting that company. Thanks.

I don't need an IDA manifold since I don't have any IDA stuff. But I'm sure lots of 1st gen rotorheads would be interested.
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Today's project was to complete the welding on the inside of the flange and to add a 4an bung to the compressor housing to use as a reference for the boost controller and wastegate.
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