82streetracer

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I have contacted blower drive service and talked to them about my idea, they gave me a $300 estimate for the intercooler. they said it will work with the stock coolign system but it will work much better with its own cooling system.

Hades12

The BDS unit looks very Neat. The problem with it may be mounting it to the intake.

The Ford Lightning system is also used on the Mustang ( I think) by Roush and Salane(sp?) They mount in the valley of the V8 intake. so air is passed through the Blower, through the cooler and into the heads. This is using Fuel Injection.


The BDS Blower and Cooler use a carb or "magic hat" FI on top of the Blower. So the Blower and Cooler have to be able to take fuel throught them.


Sterling

If the Eatons you are looking at were on a OEM with FI then they will most likely not take fuel throught them. Have you looked at using FI on your car with the Eaton?

Hades

Hades12

Take a look at this site for strange SC cars


http://www.toohighpsi.com/

or

http://www.toohighpsi.com/SCTC/sctc.htm
for the Twin SC Bird.

REVHED

You'd think the difference between the water coming out of the rad. and the air being compressed by the blower would be so marginal that it would barely cool it. You could work it out if you knew the efficiency of the blower, air intake temp and the water temp. I'd definately use the seperate cooling system personally.

82streetracer

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man, hades figured it out.

He has like 4 post, he must be the only person who looked at the BDS site and saw how it can work.

thank you


I am going to run a seperate cooling system,
this will give me the most power and will be the best for the engine.
probably will consisit of a small water pump and a small rad in front of the stock one.

Hades12

I have done a lot of reading on SuperCharging, on Roots style, Centrifical, and turbo.

I did a quick search on Amazon and found these books



Supercharged! Design, Testing and Installation of Supercharger Systems
by Corky Bell


Maximum Boost: Designing, Testing, and Installing Turbocharger Systems
by Corky Bell

Turbochargers
by Hugh MacInnes

Supercharging, Turbocharging, & Nitrous Oxide Performance Handbook (Powerpro)
by Earl Davis, Diane Davis


A Do-It-Yourself Guide to Street Supercharging: How to Install & Tune Blowers
by Pat Ganahl

Automotive Supercharging and Turbocharging Manual" by John D.Humphries, 1992, ISBN 0-85429-880-0



I highley recomend the books by Corky Bell. I Think there is a book out there by Gale Banks also.
www.bankspower.com

Sterling

I'm not trying to stuff fuel in it! Jr tried it, and luckily did'nt kill his engine because the teflon paint came off the blower rotors.
I try to look at every single angle; And being a natural pessimist, it's usually easy for me to figure out a few reasons why a proposed project won't work. But it just never ocurred to me that what happened to jr would happen!

Hades12

From 5.0 Mustang & Super Ford

Here’s the part that gets most of us excited. The Stage 3 packs a fourth-generation Eaton M90 supercharger atop a factory 4.6 Two-Valve. The blower draws in through a factory mass air—tweaked for increased range—and a BBK 70mm throttle body. From there, 6 pounds of boost is rammed into a Roush lower intake manifold incorporating a two-core, air-to-water intercooler from Allied Signal. Coupled with Roush’s EEC V tuning, this package cranks out 360 hp and 375 lb-ft of torque without a hint of rough idling, noise, or detonation, even under the duress of a road-course environment.

Hades12

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82streetracer

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again, the new guy helps me out.

REVHED

I looked at the site and the only part I'm sceptical about is the "use the engine's cooling system" bit. But if you're going to cool it seperately then that's not an issue.

Keaponlaffen

too much techno mumble jumble for my 12:00am brain...

rotarygod

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The Atkins supercharger is NOT an eaton but it is a roots. The Eaton is a form of roots. The lobes in the Atkins are two sided and straight while the eatons are three sided and twisted hence the difference. You do run a draw through system on a roots system but not on the eaton. The eaton superchargers use a different coating on the lobe tips that disintegrate fairly quicky when immersed in gasoline unlike the atkins/roots type.

You CAN intercool a draw through roots supercharger. There is no concern of fuel dropping out of suspension or puddling in the i/c. It can't. The reason is that an air/water core is designed totally different from an air/air core. Basically look at a standard air/air unit from the front. You should be looking through the fins that the outside air passes through. In an air/water setup this is where the charge air passes. There is alot of area here and no stagnant places for fuel to puddle. All of the fins actually help fuel atomize better. You are more likely to have fuel puddle in the intake manifold than the i/c.

The only big problem is going to be how high the carb will sit in relation to the hood and if you can actually manufacture the kit. The longer your foot is on the throttle the hotter the water will get and consequently the less power you will have. However if you are using a seperate radiator/cooling system for the i/c this will work fine in short bursts. You'll probably only be on the gas a matter of seconds anyways which won't let the water get too hot. The times in between hard throttling will give the water time to cool back down. Best used in drag racing, moderately good in street use, and worthless in road racing. Do not use the cars factory cooling system. You may as well not use any intercooling at all then. Just get a small yugo or Hundai radiator and a small fuel pump. BDC has a home made air/water setup on his T-II. PM him for instructions how to plumb the system successfully.

82streetracer

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rotarygod- you have out into word what I could not. I think with the proper cooling system hooked to the intercooler it should stay cool all the time.

jr69187

Ok finnally some one believes me about using a yugo radiator. I did nto want to explain my self so i stayed out of here until some else did it. Hey sterling looks like i am gonna try and make a quick blow through. Since we a few good sc minds in here. MY dad who knows little about ccars had this idea. What about putting a jet into the collar between the charger and the carb (on blowthrough set up) and hooking this up to a liquid ox tank. We have one form when my grandpa was real sick it works easy just crank up the liters per second to about ten and turn off the air warmer and you have 10 liters per second of super cold oxygen co mix i think 70/30. I have ran just a hose to the carb box and cranked it on and the car ran much better and this was with the air warmer on. But i am gonna try and amke a quick blow through setup. And the inter cooler will air water with a yugo radiator i ahte the cars but i love the parts.

jr

82streetracer

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im sure it can be done Its just going to take a while.

Sterling

Funny how suddenly everyone chimes in with some fantastic supercharger news that they think their the only ones that know. Then they mix in a bunch of **** they've made up.
No puddling in this particular type of IC, ehh?
I'm a man of science, and my scientific reasoning says your fulla ****!
You'll get a completely full and public appology when you show me you're not. But when the wellfare of people who might be dumb enough to do what you suggest is at stake, I get "touchy" about bum advice.
Sue me if I'm wrong.

As far as I'm concerned, if you don't know the low-down on the Atkins, Paxton, Nelson, or the Eaton supercharger specific to this discussion; who the **** Mr. Roots was; or just what a ******* roots blower is and the difference between it and a centrafugal blower, then you NEED TO DO YOUR HOMEWORK!

82transam, did you even bother to search?!
"again, the new guy helps me out." WTF is that?

And jr... YOU WILL BLOW YOURSELF UP!!! This is NOT a joke!

I'm shocked and disappointed, and think that all of you that have read his post are ******** for not adamantly demonstrating opposition to what is so obviously such a completely foolish thing for this guy to do...This guy, our friend, who apparently has no clue what the dangers involved are.

You're a fast worker, jr. You got that blower mounted on your car the first time, very quickly compared to the snails pace at which I move in my projects.
This is why I'm truely concerned for your well being. I implore you - PLEASE do NOT **** with an oxygen tank!

...And if anyone ever disses your ideas without entertaining them first again, and makes you feel like you can't share your creative thoughts on this forum again, tell them to **** them selves, and I'll be right behind you.
The Yugo radiator was a great idea. It should've been taken seriously and discussed before being put down. And you should'nt ever have to feel like you should'nt share an idea, no matter how strange.

But the oxygen thing has GOT TO GO! It's why people use Nitrous Oxide. It does'nt explode!

jr69187

That was my dads concern. So we put that idea by the waste side back to good old co2. Joking. I know better i was just an idea that i wanted see how far it would fly. they put down the yugo with out even thinking so i thought hell lets see if they think this is sane i know what pure oxy does. I've got a sedaline ox torch and i know what oxy can do it is neat but not a toy. thi was my revenge for them putting down the yugo.


Guys please do not try and hook up liquid oxygen to your car. this was a cruel joke for those who told me i was an diot for the yugo thing. Even though i have done it and have a video of mine running until the charger decided to put a nasty goo in my intake. ohh yeah sterling looks like most of the goo from the coating ended up in the intake and carb and what is left hopgully burnt out but if nto i got anohter 79 this week to play test on i am gonna try and beat you know at your game. now it is time for a blowthrough but mine is gonna be through the hood and be real crude then i will refine it.


thanks sterling
jr

rotarygod

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I'm fulla ****? You owe me an apology. Go to the BDS website and look at Blower intercoolers and then tell me where the carb is in relation to the i/c. For what its worth I DO know exactly the differences between all of the above named superchargers because I have done my homework. I wasn't an ******* to you so why are you one to me? The only thing I agree with you on is how bad of an idea the pure o2 idea is. Danger Will Robinson.

Sterling

Yup...Yer right, I do owe you an apology.
I'm sorry. I completely misunderstood the nature of the blower you were describing.
Though I was unable to find a picture on that site, from reading this thread over again, and reading the site, I see that you're talking about a very small unit that is mounted before the intake manifold.

It's similar to what I'm talking about doing on another forum, except I'm entertaining the idea of using an AC unit instead.
The pump will always have to be on, but I'll have much cooler refrigerant going through a much larger cooling block. (The finned block from inside the car is about 10 x 10 x 10 inches!)
I believe the air will be so much cooler, that the power gains will far outwiegh the power need to run the AC pump constantly.
...At least, that is the hope.

A remote control valve and some flexible duct work will allow some cold air to enter the cockpit when I need AC!

MikeLMR

The Zakspeed Capri's in europe used to run Freon intercoolers ... they were nuts ... 400+ HP from a 1300cc Turbo inline 4 ... then they managed 800Hp from a 1.7l ... FANTASTIC

Have you had a look at that tohighpsi.com link ... some very very nice work going on ... I wish I had the tools/time/patience to build somthing on that scale

Sterling

That website was one of the first ones I bookmarked when I started looking into supercharging.

Hey guys, I was just looking at a heater core from a seven. It is probably PERFECT for a custom job of what you guys are proposing. It's the same thing as these water cooled ICs. But you might want two stacked up.

Get one and open it up!

Mazda RX-7 EFINI TYPE

I know that u wanna get an intercooler an all, but if u want a lot of power, y don't u drop a turbo or a twin turbo if it'z possible 4 u.

Sterling

I'm sorry, but lemme get this straight...
You ressurected this crappy old post just to let us all know that there is the option of a turbo instead of a supercharger?

Well Lord have mercey, Ala-******-luhia.

...Thanks for the heads up, there big guy.
I'm gonna go right now and look into this whole "turbo" thing.

Directfreak

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Looks like I have my new Sig...

Thanks!