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Old 09-24-07, 07:00 PM
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Stock TII or Carbed and ported SE 13b?

My 12a has had it... finally! 160k on it.

Heres what I have to work with:

-I have a budget of >$2000
-I have an SE short Block in my garage with Front cover and Oil Pan (no WP housing or OMP)
-Can get a TII with clutch, tranny, ECU, uncut harness, for $1200ish
-Can have SE short block rebuilt and ported for $750ish
-Carb Said SE 13b (Buy manufolds, FPR, ect ect)
-Can get upper and lower stock manifold for SE free, and run stand alone FMS.


...other options?

Sell SE short block and rebuild 12a?
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What are your hp goals and drive-ability needs? Next question is your mechanical ability.
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I was hoping for 200whp. Drivability doesn't have to be high as I only put 10k on it in 2 years, it never sees rain or snow, or Heavy City Traffic. I spend most my time at 4k+rpm anyway. Mechanical ability, I took a 2 year auto mechanic course in college and decided to just keep it a hobby. I have 0 experience with rebuilding rotaries, so I'm hesitant, but definitely a very quick study. My main concern is for a lack of garage space, a lack of proper tools, and a lack of money. I have someone in mind to do alot of the big work, but time is money.
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I was told to consider NOT doing a TII swap for reliability purposes. With a heavy foot, the rear end wont take the torque. I've pounded the 12a hard, and it took it... surprisingly... I didnt think 180ft/lb.tq would be that hard on the rear.
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4-port 13B with a big streetport and a 48mm IDA for carb, or a TII with minor mods and a 3" exhaust. Not sure if you can come under 2k if you have to source out the work. Upgrade the rear axles with ReSpeed's Mosers.
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Dropping the motor in and mounting it are all I really need done. Once the motor is in, I can handle the rest.


The axles are the weakest part of the FB rear end? That's easy to fix! LOL!
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Find a buddy with a cherrypicker and the engine placement is done.
I would have to lean towards the TII swap if the engine is in good condition, but that may push the budget when all said and done.
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Ultimatley that's what I was thinking. A cherry picker is only $125 too

But will the stock rear end take it?... I tend to drive hard the little amount of time I actually have to drive my 7

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you can make 200hp on a 13b se
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Originally Posted by mikey D
you can make 200hp on a 13b se
huh?
please explain!
is that to the wheels ofr to the flywheel?
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I agree, you can, but that'll be costly, and for the money I want to spend most likely not as reliable as a TII from what I understand. But I dont think a TII can be done for my budget.

Plus if i ever get hungry for more power the SE will be close to maxxed, but the TII can easily be rebuilt and milked for more power.
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I would agree about the TII being too pricey. I did the TII swap on my 85 GSL-SE and while I love the power, the swap took much more time and money than I had planned on spending. Glad I did it, but once you add up the cost of things like custom driveshafts and various bits and pieces such as intake and exhaust, you will probably be overbudget.
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The only thing that kills rear ends is wide, sticky rear tires.

If you take it easy on the launches, you should be fine with a signifant power increase IMO.
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