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Old 05-25-03, 08:52 AM
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stainles steel brake lines( are they overkill!!!)

I have a spec 7 rxy 83 and I was wondering if stainless steel lines are worth buying. I only get my car up to 100mph on occasion and have heard the would stiffin the brake responce. So when I change my lines out are they worth it?
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if you plan on getting serious on the track, then i would think about it, otherwise, the money could be better spent elswhere
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I will not be on the track but need to repalce my lines soon, the stock line cost 40 and the stainless cost 90.
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I have stainless lines.

Firms up the brakes nicely, threshold braking is much easier.
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so one for and one against.
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I'd vote for it.

The stainless are very durable and would last longer I would think. Plus they'll give a much better feel.

I got mine!
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I would get them. I plan on getting a pair myself pretty soon. My friend has them and really likes them.
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The 1st Gen has too much rear bias to the brakes. One concept that I have heard is to put ss lines on the front only to help balance it out. Whadda ya think?

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that is a possibility...

instead you could order a brake balancer from summit. I saw one in their catalog for like $50 or so. I belive they called it a "Brake Proportioning valve". Basicaly it was an adjustable valve that allowed to control the psi sent to the rear and front brakes. Cheap and effective I would think.
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The "stainless steel" brake lines are actually PTFE (teflon) type material with a stainless steel jacket. They provide a harder brake feel with less "mushiness". Whether or not that is something you want or need is really up to you. I will say that the SS brake lines are more prone to breakage if they are not routed correctly, using large radius bends. An adjustable brake proportioning valve such as mentioned can be a valuable addition to the brake system, particularly on cars with non-stock suspension or brakes. Just my 2 cents.
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Careful though, if you have drums on the rear, the SS brake lines are not DOT approved, so your car would no longer be able to pass a safety check, if it ever needed one.

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Wrong, Mazdatrix's lines ARE DOT approved. Mazdacomps are not cause they have replaceable ends. I have both and they cost the same. The trix lines are nicely made direct replacement lines. They fit well and improve the braking feel. They have the fitting so they can clip to the strut/backing plate just like stock whereas mazdacomps do not (which isint really necessary in a racer anyway). For a streetcar get the Mazdatrix lines, youll be glad you did.



Bob, Ive heard of what your talking about. Itll work to an extent but its a band aid fix. The prop valve is a better way to go. BTW the lever type is best unless you have brake press gauges.
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Originally posted by 82streetracer
I have stainless lines.

Firms up the brakes nicely, threshold braking is much easier.
I see in your soon to comes you say BNR stage 4 turbo, I might have mine up for sell soon. Im gonna get it rebuilt and then Im getting something bigger
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I've got Racing Beat's SS lines on my 79, with an 83 GSL rearend...


I LOVE IT!


While they aren't DOT approved, I never have any problems at safety inspections, or tech inspections at AutoX. I routinely get pulled over by the police to see if everything is legal on my car... except for the exhaust, it all is.
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SS lines are the ****...

When my clutch line went out,I couldnt wait getting one at the dealership and the stores cant get them,So I went down to a local shop to get the line made..

Its teflon lined good for 5000 psi,I forgot the fire rating.The fittings are reusable,and I got ti made cheap and in 2 mins..

I will be running SS brake lines,Its more a sense of security for me,Even though the brake system will be stock,I will also be running SS fuel and misc lines in my car..

I heard the chicks dig Steel Braided
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hmm, chick dig it, maybe I will get them too..
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I'm thinking about getting some of those. How hard are they to install? How long does it take?

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Originally posted by inittab
The 1st Gen has too much rear bias to the brakes. One concept that I have heard is to put ss lines on the front only to help balance it out. Whadda ya think?

--Bob
After reading Carl's response to this, I remembered something else that might be applicable. A few years back, I replaced the rear wheel cylinders on my RX4 with RX7 cylinders. The piston size on the RX7 cylinders was slightly larger in diameter. I wonder if RX4 cylinders used on an RX7 would reduce the rear brake bias due to the smaller diameter pistons? Just a thought.
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Wouldnt keeping a 2 rubber hoses is like keeping 1 old hose and risking a blow out?

I always say if you change 1 hose..change them in pairs..
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Originally posted by MIKE-P-28
I see in your soon to comes you say BNR stage 4 turbo, I might have mine up for sell soon. Im gonna get it rebuilt and then Im getting something bigger
would the kit work on a 12a, what are the specifics.

i'd be interested, keep me in mind.

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Originally posted by Wankelguy
After reading Carl's response to this, I remembered something else that might be applicable. A few years back, I replaced the rear wheel cylinders on my RX4 with RX7 cylinders. The piston size on the RX7 cylinders was slightly larger in diameter. I wonder if RX4 cylinders used on an RX7 would reduce the rear brake bias due to the smaller diameter pistons? Just a thought.
Hey that might work ya know. Good tidbit of info WG.
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Originally posted by Sammymatik
that is a possibility...

instead you could order a brake balancer from summit. I saw one in their catalog for like $50 or so. I belive they called it a "Brake Proportioning valve". Basicaly it was an adjustable valve that allowed to control the psi sent to the rear and front brakes. Cheap and effective I would think.
would that work as a "line lock"?
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