Should i make this rx7 car trade?
08-13-14, 09:35 PM
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cody .... 3k to get body and paint straight?
if your going to need to pay to have a bunch of stuff done then I would reconsider it then ... only way makes sense in my opinion is if you can do the majority of the work yourself
if your going to need to pay to have a bunch of stuff done then I would reconsider it then ... only way makes sense in my opinion is if you can do the majority of the work yourself
08-13-14, 09:41 PM
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My opinion, seems like you want the car, so buy it and a haynes manual, jump in and start fixing stuff. First thing that long as@ fuel line lol. Just plan on it being a lot of work, maybe you'll get it all fixed and if not ehh it's only money right?
08-13-14, 09:58 PM
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I can't paint the car and i bet alot of you can't painting is not easy and you need alot of stuff and a good space which i don't have i would rather pay to have it down right.
08-13-14, 10:13 PM
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errr if that were aimed at me no need to get testy .... and yes "I" can ... it's not rocket science
It's sounds like it's going to be an uphill battle ... best of luck !!
It's sounds like it's going to be an uphill battle ... best of luck !!
08-13-14, 10:16 PM
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I have read alot of threads from members and alot of them recommend getting it done by a professional i don't have a good enough garage to paint in i would rather just pay to have it painted.
08-14-14, 07:43 AM
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Askhole: A person who constantly asks for your advice but always does the opposite of what you told them.
Not trying to criticze Cody, merely shed some light. Yes, everyone will have an opinion, some better placed than others and some that match your own attitude and thoughts more than others. But when you ask for help, and go against popular reasoning, you should be prepared for some backlash. Especially when the only precieved logic is because its just what you want without regard to common sence.
BLUF (bottom line up front) its your money spend it like you want. I'd expect everything you see and are being told about this new car is just the surface of all the potential problems that are lurking in a project like this. regardless of what work you are capable of yourself, I'd expect to spend at LEAST another 2-5K getting this project back to some sort of reliable roadworthyness. Yea, you might be able to shortcut and bandaid some things but what good is that when the bodywork only lasts a few months or your left stranded somewhere. You get what you pay for a lot of times and I find more value in doing it right the first time rather than paying to do it over.
Not trying to criticze Cody, merely shed some light. Yes, everyone will have an opinion, some better placed than others and some that match your own attitude and thoughts more than others. But when you ask for help, and go against popular reasoning, you should be prepared for some backlash. Especially when the only precieved logic is because its just what you want without regard to common sence.
BLUF (bottom line up front) its your money spend it like you want. I'd expect everything you see and are being told about this new car is just the surface of all the potential problems that are lurking in a project like this. regardless of what work you are capable of yourself, I'd expect to spend at LEAST another 2-5K getting this project back to some sort of reliable roadworthyness. Yea, you might be able to shortcut and bandaid some things but what good is that when the bodywork only lasts a few months or your left stranded somewhere. You get what you pay for a lot of times and I find more value in doing it right the first time rather than paying to do it over.
08-14-14, 11:46 AM
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My opinion, based only on the pics as shown; those bondo spots are places where the body mods have started to crack loose from the underlying steel, & the owner has sanded the cracked/blistered areas down through the paint, rebondo-ed the cracks (instead of truly fixing the possibly-flawed install) & started to finish sand it for re-paint, then stopped.
All the sanded areas look to be along the joints where the body mods would have been molded to the steel body.
All the sanded areas look to be along the joints where the body mods would have been molded to the steel body.
Originally Posted by thecody59
The guy got back to me tonight on how the body turned like that he said the car sat awhile and the body got surface rust so he sanded them plus he drove the car to Texas and when he did that the temp turned 100 to 30 and the body kit cracked so that to.
A properly painted car doesn't get surface rust because it "sat awhile." Unless the paint was already cracked and water got in along the seams.
Point made?
PS; ever try to open a car with no door handles when the battery dies? The SA hood can't easily be opened from the outside of the car.
08-14-14, 02:27 PM
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Well i got all fall and winter to do the work i can probably fix the stuff in the engine and sand down the body i would need to hire somebody to paint it i don't know about the widebody i don't think it would crack anymore once it has been fixed and painted it will only be driven in the spring and summer always stored when it is cold . what does everybody think about the wire and hose layout would that need to be fixed before it is driven?
08-14-14, 02:31 PM
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Will the bondo job done to the cracked widebody hold or will that have to be fixed before it is painted i don't want it happening again. There isn't much info here on widebody's all i got is they crack over time if daily driven or exposed to cold temps.
08-15-14, 12:47 AM
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Now he is doing some work on it he is fixing the bondo pits and he is adding a racing beat intake plus headers and carb setup and a madatriz exhaust system and working on the fuel system the price will go up tho.
08-15-14, 01:10 PM
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First of all, I'm here because this thread was reported to the mods for potential trolling. So everyone take note that this thread is being monitored.
Secondly, I'm going to echo what a lot of the other guys said about this:
I would personally NEVER buy a car that had a body kit already installed unless it was being given to me for free, ESPECIALLY up north where you are.
The rust and bondo scream that it was done in a backyard or home garage. As people have stated before, it's going to be EXPENSIVE.
Estimate that they are going to have to remove the entire widebody kit, scrape/chisel off all the bondo, fix any underlying rust, reprime and paint, repair the fiberglass on the body kit, and reinstall the body kit with proper body filler to mold it in.
I don't care if he has receipts if the body work was done at a shop. There are a lot of hackjob body shops out there. Hell, I bought a 1986 that has an original DEALERSHIP installed "Finish Line" body kit. It has rusted out because they used the wrong screws in the side skirts and didn't use sealant around them. Parted it out.
Also, WTF is up with the tail lights on that blue car?!
The engine bay screams hackjob.
That 13B is not stock. Emissions equipment removed and there's a carburetor on it. None of that came stock on the 1979 model. So where did the engine come from? Is it a 4 port or 6 port? From a REPU or other old school RX, a GSL-SE, or a 2nd gen?
There's no need for AN fittings on a 3-5 PSI carbureted system and why are stainless lines spliced in to regular rubber fuel lines?
Unknown/Undocumented engine swap? Check.
Wires everywhere? Check.
Hoses spliced? Check.
Hoses misrouted? Check.
Hell, it isn't even running right. The seller said it needs carburetor work.
(A carburetor set up for a street port should run okay on a stock engine and vice versa.)
Unless you're doing all of the work yourself and planning on having the car down for a few months, I'd run from this deal.
You've already said you don't have the proper space to work on and store these cars.
You've said you are having issues with your license, the DMV, insurance, and you talk about using your mother's car for the winter. I have to ask, how old are you? Are you still living at home with the parents or are you out on your own?
There's nothing wrong with being in your late teens or early 20's and having a passion for a car that's older than you... However getting in above your head is a problem.
Even though your Red 1979 looks pristine, it's 35 years old. Hell, even the newest FC is 22 years old, and the newest FD will be 20 next year. So even in tip-top shape, general maintenance parts will start getting to be hard to find. Water pumps, distributor caps, brake rotors and pads may have to be ordered and shipped. Many people will tell you that the first mod you should buy for your RX-7 is a backup car.
I think the Red 1979 being stock is worth significantly more than the hackjob blue widebody. These cars are a niche market, but remember, the RX-7 is the best selling rotary engined car. There are plenty more out there. There will be another one along that you can modify. If you're truly an enthusiast, you will go through ten or more RX-7s, buying them, selling them, parting them out. Hang on to your Red 1979. Have fun with it and take good care of it. Most importantly, learn more about it before modifying anything. Hang out here, meet up with other enthusiasts...
Don't worry about losing the blue car. It's more of a headache than it's worth.
Secondly, I'm going to echo what a lot of the other guys said about this:
I would personally NEVER buy a car that had a body kit already installed unless it was being given to me for free, ESPECIALLY up north where you are.
The rust and bondo scream that it was done in a backyard or home garage. As people have stated before, it's going to be EXPENSIVE.
Estimate that they are going to have to remove the entire widebody kit, scrape/chisel off all the bondo, fix any underlying rust, reprime and paint, repair the fiberglass on the body kit, and reinstall the body kit with proper body filler to mold it in.
I don't care if he has receipts if the body work was done at a shop. There are a lot of hackjob body shops out there. Hell, I bought a 1986 that has an original DEALERSHIP installed "Finish Line" body kit. It has rusted out because they used the wrong screws in the side skirts and didn't use sealant around them. Parted it out.
Also, WTF is up with the tail lights on that blue car?!
The engine bay screams hackjob.
That 13B is not stock. Emissions equipment removed and there's a carburetor on it. None of that came stock on the 1979 model. So where did the engine come from? Is it a 4 port or 6 port? From a REPU or other old school RX, a GSL-SE, or a 2nd gen?
There's no need for AN fittings on a 3-5 PSI carbureted system and why are stainless lines spliced in to regular rubber fuel lines?
Unknown/Undocumented engine swap? Check.
Wires everywhere? Check.
Hoses spliced? Check.
Hoses misrouted? Check.
Hell, it isn't even running right. The seller said it needs carburetor work.
(A carburetor set up for a street port should run okay on a stock engine and vice versa.)
Unless you're doing all of the work yourself and planning on having the car down for a few months, I'd run from this deal.
You've already said you don't have the proper space to work on and store these cars.
You've said you are having issues with your license, the DMV, insurance, and you talk about using your mother's car for the winter. I have to ask, how old are you? Are you still living at home with the parents or are you out on your own?
There's nothing wrong with being in your late teens or early 20's and having a passion for a car that's older than you... However getting in above your head is a problem.
Even though your Red 1979 looks pristine, it's 35 years old. Hell, even the newest FC is 22 years old, and the newest FD will be 20 next year. So even in tip-top shape, general maintenance parts will start getting to be hard to find. Water pumps, distributor caps, brake rotors and pads may have to be ordered and shipped. Many people will tell you that the first mod you should buy for your RX-7 is a backup car.
I think the Red 1979 being stock is worth significantly more than the hackjob blue widebody. These cars are a niche market, but remember, the RX-7 is the best selling rotary engined car. There are plenty more out there. There will be another one along that you can modify. If you're truly an enthusiast, you will go through ten or more RX-7s, buying them, selling them, parting them out. Hang on to your Red 1979. Have fun with it and take good care of it. Most importantly, learn more about it before modifying anything. Hang out here, meet up with other enthusiasts...
Don't worry about losing the blue car. It's more of a headache than it's worth.
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08-15-14, 05:15 PM
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Thanks pele you gave me all the info i needed don't know why people say i am trolling i am just asking questions on a car i want. I think i am still going o go look at it and look at his receipts and see who did all the work and when i don't know how much he will ask now he wants to install i exhaust system and he is fixing the carb and intake so that will be good. He won't get more money out of it like he thinks he will. I do have a garage will tools to work on it no problem i said i didn't have a good space to paint the car. The engine i meant was a stock to the car it came on guessing a gsl-se But you have definitely made me rethink this car i have the time for it and the space but i don't want hate the car before i can enjoy it. I am 18 btw and still live at home. Thank you for you help and sorry everybody for being a a-hole everybody here probably hates me now and i probably nobody will even help me anymore..
08-15-14, 05:49 PM
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My man Cody -- I see u are still making quite the impression on the 1st gens folks- most prob well over 30. Naw man we gonna help u I just wish I could. What I can offer u is worldly advise. ALWAYS act humble and listen to these dudes. They have been at it for a long time and tried and seen it all. I understand u are a very young man and may seem a little rough around the edges. Please and sorry WILL go a long way on here. I am from the south and we still say yes ma'am and yes sir here. This may just be a generation gap as I think the youth these days (whippersnappers) lol we older folk just do not get. As long as u come back to earth like ur last post I think they will always help because believe it or not u will be the gatekeepers to these lovely cars sooner rather than later. Just listen and always say thank u. U will not be considered a troll no more.
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08-15-14, 06:04 PM
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Thanks pele you gave me all the info i needed don't know why people say i am trolling i am just asking questions on a car i want. I think i am still going o go look at it and look at his receipts and see who did all the work and when i don't know how much he will ask now he wants to install i exhaust system and he is fixing the carb and intake so that will be good. He won't get more money out of it like he thinks he will. I do have a garage will tools to work on it no problem i said i didn't have a good space to paint the car. The engine i meant was a stock to the car it came on guessing a gsl-se But you have definitely made me rethink this car i have the time for it and the space but i don't want hate the car before i can enjoy it. I am 18 btw and still live at home. Thank you for you help and sorry everybody for being a a-hole everybody here probably hates me now and i probably nobody will even help me anymore..
I have read through all 5 of these pages (on my app) and still feel like you've asked a question you already knew the answer to.
Seems like you want to buy that car.
If you do go, go with someone who knows rotaries (not just yourself). People get suckered into buys when they go by themselves.
I agree with so many people of walking away from this hideous car. But it's your money, you do with it what you want. Just don't let this one bite you in the a$$ and let people on here say "I told you so" after you purchase it (if you do of course).
Good luck.
08-16-14, 12:20 AM
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I guess i won't be buying the car i talked to him again tonight about why he is adding the exhaust and intake when he can sell it as is because if he does that and pays a shop he will have to bump the price over 3k. When i told him about you guys helping me with the car he called you all liers and you know **** about rx7's and he knows everything about them. he also said my 79 RX7 is worth **** because you can't get 12a parts anymore. This guy and this car just sound like trouble and i recommend nobody here buy it. If i paid his new over 3k price i would have to put another 3k into it making it a 8k car i can do a rx7 myself the way i want for that price. i am 90% sure if i buy this car and start sanding down the paint rust will show up and the work of a crappy widebody install this car sounds like a big money pit and the guys sounds like a dick. I think for now i will stick with finishing my 79 rx7 and maybe later on i will start my own project and do it the right way that i know what is going on not like this car. I am so sorry everybody for the way i have been acting lately not just on this thread on the others as well i am not like this in person at all i really appreciate all your help with everything you guys did for me.
08-16-14, 10:33 AM
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good call Cody, its REAL easy to get stars in your eyes, when you see something you want, but the real truth about things like that are always learned the hard way it seems. glad you might not have to on this one.... and really, dont scrap your other one. the parts a really usefull even if rusty... and if you get bored, you might be able to make a back roads rally car or something out of it.
Either way, have fun!
Either way, have fun!
08-17-14, 02:58 PM
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i sort of skimmed this thread, but just be glad you didn't end up with that blue car. it is cool, but the list of stuff wrong with it is huge..
1. Atkins is in Washington state. do you think that someone would drive like 5,000miles to get their car worked on? secondly, Atkins is not a body shop, they may have sold the body kit, but they don't install such. so unless the seller has a receipt to the contrary, he's full of crap. i would not doubt that Atkins built the engine.
2. the carb on it is a holley, and it already has an aftermarket intake, so the seller is again full of crap. i'm sure it needs tuning/ setup.
3. the fuel lines are not routed very well, simple fix, but whomever installed the intake/carb kit did a sloppy job. there is probably other sloppy work on it too.
4. the body work could easily run to 5k. the rear needs to be taken down to the metal/fiberglass joint, and it is possible the rear flares need to come off, and the joint redone. possible that there is some poor previous body work in there as well that would need to be fixed. front bumper needs to be fixed, which is pretty simple, and then the whole car needs to be repainted. it is a huge job.
so its a cool car, and it would be a fun project, but it would be a BIG and very involved project, which i think makes it a bad candidate for a first car.
1. Atkins is in Washington state. do you think that someone would drive like 5,000miles to get their car worked on? secondly, Atkins is not a body shop, they may have sold the body kit, but they don't install such. so unless the seller has a receipt to the contrary, he's full of crap. i would not doubt that Atkins built the engine.
2. the carb on it is a holley, and it already has an aftermarket intake, so the seller is again full of crap. i'm sure it needs tuning/ setup.
3. the fuel lines are not routed very well, simple fix, but whomever installed the intake/carb kit did a sloppy job. there is probably other sloppy work on it too.
4. the body work could easily run to 5k. the rear needs to be taken down to the metal/fiberglass joint, and it is possible the rear flares need to come off, and the joint redone. possible that there is some poor previous body work in there as well that would need to be fixed. front bumper needs to be fixed, which is pretty simple, and then the whole car needs to be repainted. it is a huge job.
so its a cool car, and it would be a fun project, but it would be a BIG and very involved project, which i think makes it a bad candidate for a first car.
08-17-14, 03:13 PM
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It would of been my fourth rx7 if you count the parts cars but yeah the more i think about it the more it sounds like a bad idea. I think he is keeping the car now he says he is falling in love with it again since he has been driving it and if he adds the exhaust and intake he will have to sell the car over 3k to make money nobody will pay that. I am sure in a few years it will start rusting through and he will end up with a piece of crap.