with time and money aside, which would be a better engine for a 1st gen. and by better i mean more hp, torque, and all over fun things.

lets go with both engines turbo or both N/A

 

Well, after cleaning up the mess left from the wet dream, and getting your heart restarted when you get the install bill, 20B, NA or turbo. Which is more practical, a TII.

 

I'd have to go with a 20B on this one. I good single turbo 20B will walk all over a turbo Renesis, before porting. Plus I love the sound of a nice 3-Rotor. But it really depends on your personal choice

 

Have you heard a 20B with a nice exhaust and turbo? It's GOOD!

Might mess with handling though.

 

If you go for stock NA vs. stock NA, I would say Renesis would be better. You know. If they weren't dream engine swaps. However, under modding, the 20B easily.

 

n/a 20b has more torque than an n/a renisis to answer that part of the question

 

My dream in the future is to get a 20b. I think it would be better than the renesis. I hear the renesis is having a lot of problems too. I want my car to be the total sleeper. Stock body, rims, and then the 20b. Nobody would know. That would be sweet. Research about it tho.

 

It all depends on what you want, you give so little detail that its hard to say. Plus, making the choice fit your requirements means either un-turboing the 20B or turboing the Renesis. Both of those options make for varrying power.

Short answer is you left too many variables for us to give you an intelligent answer.

 

After you put the 20B in you should get some steel wheels and put spinner hubcaps on 'em. Now that would be a sleeper.

 

No, that would be gay imo^^.

 

But think about how humilated the guy in the C5 would be getting beat by a "gay" RX7.

 

^That would be awesome, but unless your racing a corvette to work and back you'd feel gay the other 90% of the time.

 

Ya, i know what you mean by total sleeper, but its just not right for a sports car(or any car imo).

 

True. Cool wheels it is.

 

I'm just gettin wheels, all the suspension stuff, Upgrade rear end, tranny, etc., 20b in the future. Don't worry, when i get the 20b, i'll do it correct. Nobody will know why they lost. It'll be great.

 

I'm sticking to what I've always said. For the cost of either swap (20B or Renesis), you could have a car that is faster than either one of those engines using the stock motor (rebuilt, ported, boosted, etc.), and that holding true, why go with either of the other engines?

To top it off, you can make more than enough power out of a 12A. More power than you could ever use in an SA/FB.

 

Actually i would have to disagree with you. Making more then enough power with a 12a is not always going to leave you with a very streetable car.

Gotta run ill finish my thought when i get back.

 

A 23A would be nice!

 

That is extremely true; however, who said anything about the car being streetable? If he were going to say a high powered streetable car, I would say a 20B, and unless I just didn't read it, I never read anything that said it had to be streetable.

If it is only going to be a track car though, why not build an insane ported 12a and turbo it for insane power? Regardless though, a high powered first gen would be fun as hell. I just think that if you have no reason to use the car daily, or for anything other than fun, why bother doing an engine swap? Even the 12a has insane possibility.

 

Is this a "traditional (Cosmo)" 20B? What about a Renesis 20B ? would a custom e-shaft be necessary? Besides the housings I don't how different it is. The whole enhanced reliability of the apex seals makes me like the Renesis a lot.

 

^ The 20b will determine most of your drivetrain. I would recomend saving your pennies and doing it all at once. Your project can change directions easily. It happens to the best of us. One clean sweep has great advantages. You will save time, money and headache by doing this.

Good luck.

 

I agree. I saw a 520whp 9sec FB that was driven on the street. A guy named Lewis that works at Mazsport in Tampa. He would drive it to work sometimes.

My friend rode in it and said it was FLIPN NUTS!!!!

 

You know what, I vote for the renesis. Its only been put in a 1st gen a couple times I believe, and its the perfect motor for a good power increase without having to mod out the rest of the drivetrain. The torque is so little its not likely to break any of the stock FB parts. Not only that, you'd probably get 250hp with just a free flowing exhaust and intake, and thats all NA power thats totally streetable. I could only imagine what porting would do on a renesis. As for making it work, I don't think it would be too bad. Some custom wiring of the ECM to make it work in the FB chassis along with a set of custom gauges and you'd probably be set. It would likely bolt to the stock FB tranny as the bell housing hasn't really changed much.

 

What is the most power that anyone has gotten out of a Renesis? N/A or not.

 

well im about to eliminate all the variables now that the debate has started..

i have an SA. this is wat it will be going in.

it will be a sleeper. and i want it as streetable as i can get it. this will be a weekend track car. and a street car to mess with the civics tiburons. haha.
so far i decided that if im going to run N/A then a renesis would be nice. but it if i want to touch into turbos, then a big single turbo on a 20b would be the route to go.

what sort of trans. would go good with this? and for rear end options im thinking maybe a ford 8.8 or 5.0 stang rear end.