Renesis Irons on 12a
11-15-06, 06:05 PM
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What's up with the hybrid motor?
Have you done anything with this project. I read some of your posts in this thread, and I am actually in the process of completing a engine similar to what you are writing about. If you make any progress let us know.
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11-18-06, 08:03 AM
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It appears he hit a snag with the oil pump. Hmmm.
The whole thread, though, led me to one exciting possibility. Have you ever driven an RX8? Felt how smooth it felt through its six gears? How beautifully it shifted?
It was mentioned that the rear iron would require the RX8 tranny. So, let's get that RX8 TRANNY!
The whole thread, though, led me to one exciting possibility. Have you ever driven an RX8? Felt how smooth it felt through its six gears? How beautifully it shifted?
It was mentioned that the rear iron would require the RX8 tranny. So, let's get that RX8 TRANNY!
11-18-06, 01:33 PM
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Originally Posted by rotaryengineering
Have you done anything with this project. I read some of your posts in this thread, and I am actually in the process of completing a engine similar to what you are writing about. If you make any progress let us know.
Thanks
Albert
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Albert
03-13-07, 06:38 PM
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i have been thinking about this also for some time... but it seems to me it would work gr8 for turbos letting more exhaust flow... you could use only the center plate.. kinda like a half bridge 
and a custome exhaust
the reason i have been thinking about his is... it always comes down to the EXHAUST when we are talking about power.. turbo motors dont flow enough even ported race exhaust.. you can get more air into the motor then out... the center plate would open up whole new doors with the add'ed exhaust port
and a custome exhaust the reason i have been thinking about his is... it always comes down to the EXHAUST when we are talking about power.. turbo motors dont flow enough even ported race exhaust.. you can get more air into the motor then out... the center plate would open up whole new doors with the add'ed exhaust port
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03-14-07, 11:06 AM
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Noob here with ideas!
Use the renesis center iorn and block off the exhaust ports like they do with the intake ports when they do a periphrial port on a normal rotary (I don't know if thats possible or not) or keep them open (one again don't know if that would work, super custom header required too). It would kinda be like a half bridge.
Or
Just buy a renesis short block and see if you can carb it, some one posted the idea here a few months ago.
Edit: wow I didn't notice how old this thread was
Use the renesis center iorn and block off the exhaust ports like they do with the intake ports when they do a periphrial port on a normal rotary (I don't know if thats possible or not) or keep them open (one again don't know if that would work, super custom header required too). It would kinda be like a half bridge.
Or
Just buy a renesis short block and see if you can carb it, some one posted the idea here a few months ago.
Edit: wow I didn't notice how old this thread was
03-14-07, 11:52 AM
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Originally Posted by aa35199
Noob here with ideas!
Use the renesis center iorn and block off the exhaust ports like they do with the intake ports when they do a periphrial port on a normal rotary (I don't know if thats possible or not) or keep them open (one again don't know if that would work, super custom header required too). It would kinda be like a half bridge.
Or
Just buy a renesis short block and see if you can carb it, some one posted the idea here a few months ago.
Edit: wow I didn't notice how old this thread was
Use the renesis center iorn and block off the exhaust ports like they do with the intake ports when they do a periphrial port on a normal rotary (I don't know if thats possible or not) or keep them open (one again don't know if that would work, super custom header required too). It would kinda be like a half bridge.
Or
Just buy a renesis short block and see if you can carb it, some one posted the idea here a few months ago.
Edit: wow I didn't notice how old this thread was
the only benefit from the renesis irons is the exhaust port... other wise it would be much cheeper to just bridge port it...if you only used the center plate you would have a 4 port exhaust witch would rock
the exhaust wouldint be hard to fab up either i have been thinking aobut it sences last night.. im looking for a center plate right now
03-14-07, 12:32 PM
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Take a 13b TII rotor housings. A GSL-SE front plate/oil pan, then take the Renesis irons and internals. There you go. You gain some advantages of the Renesis but it will bolt in to a FB...
Uhh... I don't really know but from the few things I read in this thread this seems possible.
Uhh... I don't really know but from the few things I read in this thread this seems possible.
03-14-07, 12:34 PM
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Originally Posted by vipergts_3
aneone here a mazda tech ? i would bet that they would have acsess to that sort of info...
Ask any of them about rotaries and they're all 
about everything like you're crazy. ******* pisses me off. 
04-21-08, 09:37 PM
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any updates on this? also what if you hooked up an electric relay or something through the alternator, so that the more it spools to charge the system with revs up, it sends the full signal to the pump, but when you are idling it sends a weaker signal to the pump thus telling it to send more or less oil as the alt sees demand?
just a thought, but i dont know how practical it is. maybe even run it off of the ignition system?
just a thought, but i dont know how practical it is. maybe even run it off of the ignition system?
04-21-08, 10:18 PM
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Ok, I've thought about this several times and last night I was reading an article on the Pineapple Racing website saying that all Mazda engines from the 10A to the 20B have the same internal dimensions, so the rotors and rotor housings are just wider to get the different displacement 10A=60mm, 12A=70mm, and 13B=80mm. Theoretically, the rear, intermediate, and front side housings should be the same dimensions for every engine from 10A to 20B, only difference is number of ports. So to get to the point, the Renesis engine is just a redesigned 13B so it also has the same internal dimensions as the 13B and 12A in our cars. So why could we not take the irons from a Renesis and build a 12A out of them or on a lesser note swap the 13B 6 port side housings to 12A rotor housings?
Can you imagine a 12A with 6ports and side exhaust ports in our cars!
Can you imagine a 12A with 6ports and side exhaust ports in our cars!
04-21-08, 10:34 PM
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as far as the general conversations goes ...
1. you will need to protect 12A oil seals from the side port exhausts. unfortunately i have not been able to play with Renesis parts, but as far as i know there are no provisions in older engine rotors for the oil scrapers.
2. Renesis oil pump and 12A front cover issues may be another problem. i honestly don't know.
3. exhaust flow may be another major issue. more ports does NOT necessarily correlate to better flow and i'm fairly sure the timing is different. one of the things that makes the Renesis so special is the lack of overlap. a peripheral port (the 12A rotor housings) will introduce overlap.
4. the static compression difference. 9.4:1 vs. 10.0:1 will probably make a difference in overall output. you can lighten the 12A rotors, but they will still lack the static compression.
this is not meant to **** on anyone's dream, but you're not the first to think of this and the fact is, it's not as simple as it appears.
converse ...
1. you will need to protect 12A oil seals from the side port exhausts. unfortunately i have not been able to play with Renesis parts, but as far as i know there are no provisions in older engine rotors for the oil scrapers.
2. Renesis oil pump and 12A front cover issues may be another problem. i honestly don't know.
3. exhaust flow may be another major issue. more ports does NOT necessarily correlate to better flow and i'm fairly sure the timing is different. one of the things that makes the Renesis so special is the lack of overlap. a peripheral port (the 12A rotor housings) will introduce overlap.
4. the static compression difference. 9.4:1 vs. 10.0:1 will probably make a difference in overall output. you can lighten the 12A rotors, but they will still lack the static compression.
this is not meant to **** on anyone's dream, but you're not the first to think of this and the fact is, it's not as simple as it appears.
converse ...
04-21-08, 10:42 PM
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The water jacket o-rings in the Renesis are back in the rotor housings like the pre-86 engines.
You could physically use 12A rotors and housings on a Renesis. Plug up the peripheral exhaust ports. No you don't want to keep both of them and no peripheral exhaust ports are not the ****. Side are! The problem with homebrewing a 12A Renesis is the fact that the side seals on the rotors are not wedge shaped and over time will get clogged up with carbon and result in breaking a side seal. That's bad news. There is also no cutoff ring which while the engine can run without it, you are losing some of the benefit of the side port configuration. I know at least one person on the forum says that it can't improve power to leave it in but strangely enough it does. It's even been dyno proven in independent testing.
I have a Renesis torn apart here as well as many other engines. Yes the 1st gen front cover does bolt onto the Renesis. You just use the 2nd gen crank angle sensor. It works fine. This is how I'm mounting the Renesis in my GSL-SE.
You could physically use 12A rotors and housings on a Renesis. Plug up the peripheral exhaust ports. No you don't want to keep both of them and no peripheral exhaust ports are not the ****. Side are! The problem with homebrewing a 12A Renesis is the fact that the side seals on the rotors are not wedge shaped and over time will get clogged up with carbon and result in breaking a side seal. That's bad news. There is also no cutoff ring which while the engine can run without it, you are losing some of the benefit of the side port configuration. I know at least one person on the forum says that it can't improve power to leave it in but strangely enough it does. It's even been dyno proven in independent testing.
I have a Renesis torn apart here as well as many other engines. Yes the 1st gen front cover does bolt onto the Renesis. You just use the 2nd gen crank angle sensor. It works fine. This is how I'm mounting the Renesis in my GSL-SE.
