fatboy7

Alright, for the very few of you that read my recent thread (the question is still open....) about clutch bleeding, I promised a couple pictures of my setup.



Here's a shot of the front of the car, as it sits. You can see where I put the oil cooler and the IC. I'm using what appears to be an NPR IC, with custom end tanks -- I got it off Ebay, so I really don't entirely know. It fits perfectly, after making the mounts for the radiator and such around it.

fatboy7

Here's a nice corner shot of the engine.

fatboy7

Here's the other side:

FuLLsMoKe

Man... Looks real good! I wish I had the time to do that

FS

diabolical1

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that looks damn nice! are you going to be running A/C - just curious. i'm a bit paranoid for you with the oil cooler, but i know about the lack of space (without some creative and often gaudy body panel trimming).

all in all i like it. you should be proud.

i saw that other thread, and i agree that it may just be a very light pressure plate. i've found that it's hard to find a good "heavy" clutch any more. everyone seems to want little pedal effort - little girlie-men - so i'd wait until you start to drive the car before i got concerned about it.

FuLLsMoKe

Man... Looks real good! I wish I had the time to do that

FS

RotorMotorDriver

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Man, Im gonna have a 13BT in my car someday (real soon I hope), and I only hope it looks that damn good...Jeeze man, EXCELLENT work, thats just BEAUTIFUL!!!

~T.J.

EDIT: What kinda engine management are you using? What kinda mods do you have, and power do you expect from it? Did you paint the engine bay black before the swap, or was it always like that? Once again, its beautiful man...I really only hope mine looks half that good.

fatboy7

Thanks for the compliments... I've got a couple more, but the forum is eating my posts, so I'll try a bit later. I'll share some descriptions then.

fatboy7

Here's a shot from above, taken while standing on the bumper supports

RotorMotorDriver

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I dont see an aftermarket BOV do I? Or is that some form of one on the left side of the upper intake (in the above picture)? Where did you get the engine from, and what did you do to "prepare" it before you put it in? What kinda clutch are you running? Damn that looks good...

~T.J.

fatboy7

My sunrise red RX-7 started life as an '85 GS, that I bought bone stock except it had the the LSD in the 3rd member, with 120k on the ticker. The engine is an stock-port jspec S5 13BT, and the turbo is a S5 BNR stage 2. Brian at BNR claims this turbo is capable of 325 RWHP @ around 16 psi.

I got my engine and S4 TII tranny from fc3s.org. Because I had to wait for a very long time, they were curteous and gave me an engine that has excellent compression, and that was curiouslly equiped. All of the emissions equipment had been removed, and the rats nest crimped off in numerous places. Interestly I came with a light steel flywheel, that by its self wieghs 11lbs (15lbs with the counterweight). It also had really cold plugs in it, 10's...

The TB has had the almighty 'mod' done to it, and the UIM has been port matched to the LIM. I'm running the whole system with a Haltech E6K running stock primaries, and 1680cc secondaries. The coils and ignitors are 2nd gen, located where the battery was. The battery was relocated to the rear passenger side bin. I'm still in the process of making the exhaust, using a borla as a presilencer, and an Apex'i N1 at the rear. With all of that I hope to come close to Brian's claim, I expect around 300 or so.

There's a bunch of other goodies in there as well, little things, like SS oil lines, -8AN fuel lines from a holley inline pump, pumping dino juice from a 10 gal aluminium fuel cell (I'll get some pics of it later) -- The fan is the 15" black magic. The entire wire harness has been looked through, and extraneous (to me at least) systems removed. I literally have a 5 gal bucket stuffed full of wires.

Diabolical, I am keeping the AC, as I'm sure you've noticed. Summers here are just too hot for me to give up AC. However, if I don't have better sucess with the R134a conversion this time around, It'll be out in a heartbeat. The oil cooler really isn't as low as it appears, I'll eat the tow hooks before the oil cooler. I never intended for it to end up there, but it really just comes down to space, with a large IC, and AC there just isn't much of it.

I painted the engine bay black while the engine was out. I was amazed at how much cleaner it looks with very low gloss black paint. The Intake manifolds are polished, as are the rotor housings, then clear-coated with a ceramic based paint. Although I like the finished product, I'll never polish sand cast alluminum parts like the IM again - I easily have 60-80 hrs into that side project. Almost everything else on the has been painted black, and clear coated.

I've dubbed this project 'beast', because with the stock suspension, and crappy tires that are on it right now, I know its going to be a chore keeping the car on the road. I have an -SE that's on its last leg - I plan on hawk'n the suspension from it soon, and hopefully get some new rims and tires.

fatboy7

TJ, I've got the Greddy Type-S BOV, but you can barely see it. It's hanging down from the 90* elbow right behind the AC compressor -- Its the shiney thing right next to the oil dip stick... don't have the vacuum hoses hooked up to it though.

The thing on the left of the Intake Manifold is the BAC. I figured I need it since I've got the AC still. If I can get it to Idle without stalling with the AC attached, while still having a reasonably low idle with it off, I'll probably remove it.

The clutch is a kevlar faced Spec stage II.

RotorMotorDriver

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Ah ha! There it is .

Thanks for the specs man, thats one sweet ride . I assume you just "rattle canned" the bay? Im in the process of stripping mine so I can paint, and Im doing mine white to match the exterior of the car, but I havent decided if I just wanna "rattle can" it, or get some paint from a shop so it will match "perfectly" when I paint the exterior as well.

Also, you mentioned fuel lines...Youre using -8 for feed and return? Did you locate the fuel cell under the car, or in the hatch?

Sorry for more questions, but Im kinda "following in your footsteps" unintentionally, so its good to have more input. I was just thinking about fuel lines today since I ripped out my stock ones, and I was thinking -10 feed and -8 return, but I think the point would be moot because the outlet on my stock tank wouldnt flow enough to need a -10 feed. Anyway, once again, nice ride, I just dont think I can say that enough.

~T.J.

fatboy7

Yea, I just can rattled the engine bay. Black's pretty forgiving though, and it goes with anything. I intend to paint it another color in the future, that was my original reasoning behind the paint. If you're set on white, you might want to have it sprayed.

Th fuel cell is under the hatch. I cut out the spare tire well, then welded in cover w/a small access hole. The fuel cell sits about 3" below the hatch surface, so it gets plenty of room to breathe without filling the passenger compartment with fumes. So far so good, no fumes.

Compared to the stock 12A fuel lines, -8AN is huge. -8AN lines will support more power than I'll ever make; easily 700-800 Hp. The fact that the outlet lines on the 12A tank are so small was a big factor for why I put in a fuel cell. Those stock lines are tiny, the return is probably 1/4", the feed 5/16". -8AN lines are 5/8". Since pressure drop is a function of diameter^4, that amounts to 16x more flow with the same pressure drop.

frode

Very nice setup, fatboy

AdrenalifeRX7

Beautiful. If you can't do without the AC then keep it, but you'd get better cooling, less weight, and better airflow without it.

XLR8

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My oh My!! Someone has been working hard You should be proud........Now go show those V8's what is up

FB II

bad ****!

MarkPerez

Very nice job. On the A/C, that compresser looks to be from a 12a engine, i can tell by the hose's being held to the compresser by the one bolt. The 13b's use a different compresser , the hose's (discharge) and (suction) each screw-on to the compresser. I don't know if there's any differance pumping wise between the two (kinds) of compressers. Look at the -SE's,,,see what i mean ?? Also if needed,,you can "lay" down the radiator "forward" if you may need more room. Mariah sells a "remote" duel oil cooler setup FYI . Your plumbing looks very straight forward. WELL DONE !!! Kudo's to Dave Gibson,,,Huh ?

fatboy7

Yea, the AC is the dealer installed style that is typical of the 12A. IIRC all the 12A cars were imported without AC, and the dealers installed them. Laying the radiator down would give a little more room, but its already pretty close to the engine, so you couldn't get that much. The AN fittings on the oil cooler take up a lot of room as well, I'm not sure if I could get the oil cooler with the fittings to fit between the frame rails.

What about Dave Gibson? That name sounds familiar...

RotorMotorDriver

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Actually, -8 AN is 1/2" .

Yeah, so you see, I dont know for sure what Im going to do with my setup yet. Im thinking about using the stock 5/16" hose to go from the tank to a surge tank, then using -8 from there up...I wonder how well that would work?

~T.J.

setzep

TJ- If I were to do it over again I'd use the stock fuel tank/lines but upgrade the stock fuel pump for a higher flow (not pressure) then have it feed a surge tank then have the high pressure pump feed the injectors. Thats just me...

fatboy- very nice FB! I woulden't worry too much about the light clutch feel. I have the star spec stage 4 in my FB and it feels lighter than my stock '91 integra clutch.

To get away from having a hot oil cooler in front of my radiator I simply ditched the stocker and used one from work that I had. It's ~8"x10" and mounted under the drivers side headlight with a 8" fan on it. I still have to find a 1/8th npt temp switch to stick in the oil filter head to turn on the fan. Right know it just turns on with the rad fan. Also need to figure out some shrouding.

Dave Gibson, he works for fc3s.org. He probably sold you your engine He sold me mine.

You are right about polishing... I did my intercooler and decided I woulden't do it to the intake also. I just sandblasted the intake and shot it with clear ceramic paint.

Once again, Nice Car!

setzep

TJ- If I were to do it over again I'd use the stock fuel tank/lines but upgrade the stock fuel pump for a higher flow (not pressure) then have it feed a surge tank then have the high pressure pump feed the injectors. Thats just me...

fatboy- very nice FB! I woulden't worry too much about the light clutch feel. I have the star spec stage 4 in my FB and it feels lighter than my stock '91 integra clutch.

To get away from having a hot oil cooler in front of my radiator I simply ditched the stocker and used one from work that I had. It's ~8"x10" and mounted under the drivers side headlight with a 8" fan on it. I still have to find a 1/8th npt temp switch to stick in the oil filter head to turn on the fan. Right know it just turns on with the rad fan. Also need to figure out some shrouding.

Dave Gibson, he works for fc3s.org. He probably sold you your engine He sold me mine.

You are right about polishing... I did my intercooler and decided I woulden't do it to the intake also. I just sandblasted the intake and shot it with clear ceramic paint.

Once again, Nice Car!

MarkPerez

Dave Gibson = Fc3S.org how long did the tranaction,
and shipping for the engine/transmission take ? were the items in stock ? I ask, because reading Fc3s.org's
Faq's about the engines and what, sometimes comes on them (performance parts wise ) if any one had bought an engine from them, and it had performance parts still on the engine when the customer recieved the engine. Your the only one, i know of, who has bought an engine from them(him). There prices are pretty good and they are right here in san diego.
Just wondering,, i've considered buying from them(him)

setzep

Once he got my $ he had the engine on it's way to me. The first engine he sent me ended up having water in it (from pressure washing with the sparkplugs out). The water froze on it's way to Minnesota and caused low compression. I told him what happened and he had another one at the loading dock that same week for me! BUT... I don't think they offer a warrante on the 13B-RE any longer because they are kind of hard to get I think.
All in all I would deffinitely buy another engine from Dave, he's a good guy.