Ok, more and more things are starting to go wrong with the Engine, so i need to face the facts that after 149,000 miles the engine might need a rebuild, LOL. Well, i was curious and asked around how much to put IN an engine. They want $1150!!!!!!!!!!!!!! what the HELL! And thats just to put in a 12A. If im gonna do it I want to put a 13B in it cause im freakin tired of all these damn vacume leaks, haha. i asked them how much for that just for he haws, they wanted $2200!!!!!!

Errr...sorry boys. For that price ill go get some friends and we can try to swap it ourselves. Jesus, for $2200 I could get like super monster ported Engine.....


Anyways, im cruious as to what you think a good price for a Engine swap is. Ive gotten brave and managed to swap the oil pan and im going to be even braver and go for springs (I still got the 18 year old original springs on there, lol), however i dont think im up to an engine yet. If i was to get the RacingBeat crossmember and a GSL-SE radiator, the price for puting in a 13B from a SE shouldnt be much more than putting in a 12a right? Anyways, what do you thing a reasonable price is. I know mike did it for what, $300? I do realise he was doing that at a huge discount, but i want your opnions. No way im paying them that much!

 

Go the friend route. Engine stands aren't that expensive and you can rent a cherry picker to yank the engine out. They aren't expensive to buy either. Less than $300 for the picker, and less than $100 for a stand. Check out this site. They have a variety of stuff.
http://www.southern-tool.com/store/a...oor_jacks.html

 

Swapping the same block for the same block? Bring it here, $300 did one this week in a lil over 7 hours

 

Well, i was REALLY wanting to find a 84 or 85 13B from somewhere and drop it in. Well, its not just a "drop in." You need the engine mount from RB.com and a SE radiator and the 13B engine...from what i hear ya go those in your ok, but...... Anyways, where do you live, KY? Well, if my engine lasts and i dont replace it this summer, then i definitly will be doing something before college next year By then i hope to have new shocks/springs, and POSSIBLY swtich in a SE suspension... Anyways, im gonna ask around monday and see who has done an engine swap...jesus, i cant believe they want that much for a swap

Now, another question. How much would it cost me for a solid 13b from an 84 or an 85? Then, how much could I get for a 12a? Compression is ok, just rip out all the emissions **** (since it's whats broke) and you will be fine I tried searchin on ebay, nothin but a T2 block.

 

I don't have much experience in the way of engine swaps, but if you want to swap to a 13b why not go with a 2nd gen 13b? They produce more power and if you are going through the trouble of swapping to a 13b to begin with why not go with the better one? Just a thought, good luck with it.

 

If you keep the oil pan and front housing off a 12A, you don't need to buy **** to swap a 12A for a 13B. An if you do some looking around, you can buy a cheap SE, or an '86 or '87 for a decent price, steal the motor and part off the rest of the car, or sell the car minus engine, to someone who wants to make a project out of it.

 

Sorry 12A oil pan WONT WORK on a 13b, the motor is 3/4" longer

 

and the 12a housing has 2 lines for oil injection. the SE and the FC's have 4 lines, so unless you are planning to premix...

 

It was my understanding that a 86-88 motor was a LOT bigger pain in the *** to put in than the 84-85. Am i right? Something about wiring harness or the way it hooks into the tranny, i forget.

 

As long as its not turbo, the tranny bolt pattern is the same

 

Bolt pattern is the same on a turbo, but the starter is located further out, so you would have to use the larger flywheel.

 

This cosmo block only uses 2 OMP lines. Dunno on the others I forget.

The reason its harder to put a 86 up 13b in a first gen, is you have to swap the front cover, modify/buy motor mount, and a few other things. But tranny bolting to engine is no problem at all..

 

How about you rip off the emissions stuff, then rebuild and bridgeport your existing 12A.

Just a suggestion

 

Fuel injection is over rated.

Stick wit da carb

 

modern electronic Fuel injection is by far the best fuel delivery system to use in a car. There are other factors such as ease of install and cost.

The best bet I can think of for an engine swap, as far as the financial side, is to buy a 88+ car with a good motor and use the fuel injection, intake, computer ext and sell the rest of it as parts. You will need to purchase minimal parts this way, but it will be labor intensive.

The easiest way would be for someone else to do it for you. The next best thing being to swap out your 12a for a better one.

Just curios what are your compression numbers, or other reason (somke?) that lead you to believe you need a new motor?

 

BTW a 13b will not eliminate any vacuum leaks.

 

well to give you an idea on what I get to do motors. if you bring me a block and want a rebuild(rotors,housings,plates ARE reuseable) for a basic 12a rebuild nonported 1200, 13b n/a 1300,13b (t2) 1400. Add 200$ for a streetport (large), 200 more for a bridge port this includes intake and exh. ports. powder coating the plates $200(my cost), polish the housings and front cover 150 per peice (my cost). And i havd you back a rebuilt block add 600 for a 12a install and remove, 1000 for a 13b n/a and 1200 for a 13bt2 this isnt any custom install stuff this is just a bolt in stock type deal. I have done almost a doz. installs and over 2 doz motors. next project a 87 t2 in to a b2200. also im building a big streetported 90 t2 motor for a vert but its just hand him a block.