Hello all, I don't come to the first gen section very often but after doing some time with fc's and an fd I'm starting to feind for a new project. My idea for a first gen, is simple and hopefully cost effective. The very first thing I could think of was a nice drop and some wheels. The wheels I'm thinking of are sportmax 962's in gold with the polished lip. 17x9 +35 all around. Suspension wise, I haven't seen coilovers for a first gen so I'm guessing people use a lot of adjustable shock/stut combos? And last thing I would tackle would be the engine/ drivetrain. I'm sure the 12A is plenty, but a 13b wouldn't be out of the question. I hear TII engines make fb's pretty lethal. Either a welded diff or a 2 way, unless I get the gsl-le which I'm led to believe has the clutch type differential. Anyway thanks for reading and I appreciate any input...I just imagine a slammed fb on the sport maxes and it makes me tingle inside. For those who don't know what the wheels look like here they are and they can be had for cheeeap.

 

If you want any kind of aftermarket wheels you will want a GSL-SE. Yes the GSL-SE has a clutch type LSD, most GSL's have this too. If you are lucky you will find coil overs for the front, but there are very few options for the rear. 17's look a little big on the FB's It can be done but you have to watch the offset, I cant recall what the most you can run is.

If you buy an FB with a 12a your wheel bolt pattern will be 4x110, good luck finding those wheels in that pattern. I believe the GSL-SE has a pattern of 4x114.3 which is very common.

Yes a TII swap makes FB's lethal, they weigh substantially less than an FC or FD.

Oh, and feel free to search any of the individual ideas you are talking about, it has all been covered a thousand times.

 

hahah I know I know. The search function is great, but search 17x9 and there is page after page. The "***** maxxes" as we call them (because they are quite common) have a dual bolt pattern and should fit either 4 lug. As for what sizes I could run, fender modifications aren't a problem. I see what you mean about the 17's looking a little too big hmm. I want something to fill up the wheel wells and have a nice amount of lip.

 

respeed sells a kit to make the front coil over and allso a kit they lable a coil over for the rear end. they go into detail on there web sit eabout the rear about how it isnt really a coil over kit but does the same thing ect.

 

Those may have dual patterns for the lugs, but I bet 4x110 isn't one of them. It is a rare pattern. Only a handful of manufacturers make anything in 4x110 unless you go custom. more likely, the dual pattern is 4x100 and 4x114.3 (GSL-SE pattern)

 

Even if they are dual bolt pattern, i am seriously doubting that they are 4x110, so as stated, get a GSL-SE.

 

4x110 is super rare, all of us 1st geners know this. Even if they are "universal" or dual pattern they will be 4x114.3 and another common civic ish bolt pattern...

If you dont believe us do a google search on wheels with 4x110.

 

Its all good I believe you guys. I'm sure it wouldn't be hard to do a conversion either to the gsl le hubs and spindles and such either though.

 

alot of people do that, or the second gen hubs (im guessing they are similar) because that way you can throw some bigger brakes up on there. Quick search on that might yeild some results im not sure.

but people do it quite often, repseed has a kit as long as you supply all the parts from a second gen

 

if that stuff is mostly bolt up would you be able to retrofit a five lug 4 pot set up on there aswell? like gxl or t2 brakes

 

uh, i have a feeling you need the plates but im not sure. someone might have a tutorial in the archives, and im sure you can retro fit anything it just takes more effort

 

Word. Well the idea with this project was to be relativley affordable hence keeping it 4 lug and buying some cheaper wheels. I'm happy with 4 lug the biggest improvements I'd like to see would be handling and a perhaps a slight increase in power. I'm not sure if a 2 way is appropriate for anything besides drifting but it'd be nice to go multipurpose with this car.

 

5 lug conversions on our cars is few and far between, most conversions are the gsl-se 4 lug swap

 

If your car is a 84-85, all you need is the backing plate, calipers, and rotors to convert to the SE brakes.

 

I have 17x9 Advan RG's in the back.......it will fit but your gonna have some issues if you dont run a widebody and increase your track-width.
The 9" wide wheels with 245 tires will fit in the fenderwell,but your gonna be right up against the inner wall of the fender.This is a problem because 1st gens have solid rear axles which "rock" when one tire hits a bump or depression.The inner sidewall of the tire will rub the inner fender wall,causing tire wear and potentially impacting suspension action/loading.Even with a widebody kit and mostly negative offset on my 17x9's I barely clear the outer fender lip and I get inner wall contact when I traverse my driveway diagonally......and I only have 1" of suspension drop! Looking great is one thing,being able to actually drive your car is another.
I wont even get into the front clearance with 9" wide wheels and no widebody.Youll likely have strut/spring interference and fender lip interference......our cars were built for 13x5" wheels and tires less than 200MM wide.

 

ReSpeed has TII Big Brake upgrade kits that use TII Rotors and Calipers. If all 4 tires can lock up right now then you will not need to go bigger. Most people want to go bigger, thinking bigger is better. Honestly, for a near-stock setup (read, stock engine with bolt ons, maybe even streeported) then the only things that would really help is slotted rotors, great pads, and SS brake lines.

I have stock rotors, stock lines, and hawk HPS pads and have been told I can brake as good as a 4 disc RX. The only thing I am worried about is fade, when I take it to the track.

 

My pants get smaller every time I see that car.

EDIT: The white calipers are a very nice touch!

 

haha thats the goods right there! I'd be running a stetched tire, probably a 215 40 17. I'll photshop this idea in a few to give you guys an idea. Ofcourse the fenders would have to be rolled and possible pulled but we'll see. I'm pitting this up against an Ls400 project I'd like to do aswell and so far this one seems to be the most cost effective so this may actually go through

 

A 215 tire on a 9" wide wheel.........why?
If you dont destroy the sidewall or lose the bead seating,your at least killing your handling running such a big heavy wheel for the amount of contact patch that little tire is going to provide.Not to mention I can barely keep traction with my 245's and LSD rearend.If you run a 13BT to make the car fast your just going to liquify a set of 215's and not go anywhere.

 

its all in the name of underpowered drifting. I run stretched tires on both my cars

 

Huh.....Guess I dont get it.

Why not just run wheels that are the right size for the tire,then inflate them up to max? Youll save money over buying big ol rims that are serving no purpose and youll have money left over to buy more tires,which you always need when drifting.

 

Well my friend in regard of suspension set up you can either contact Billy from ReSpeed or Ground Control for a coil over set up for 1st gens they got them, because with such a wide wheel, the stock size springs will rub on the front
wheels. My 1st gen run on 18x8 wheels w/ 215-35-18 fronts & 225-40-18 on the rears, for stoping power by all means talk w/ Billy @ ReSpeed his TT2 brakes conversion for 1st gen is awesome quality, i have them on my car and stops on a dime.

 

Very valid points and I just thought of the clearance issues. If I can get my hands on coilvers that leaves just fender issues which can be solved rather easy.