bugman1973

and saying this is just not because we have emotional attachment to anything but our cars not a DAMN battery. you need to grow a bald spot and get a life quit being such a child. I've personally been through many batteries this just last the longest. if i would have had that battery before i did the engine swap we would not be even talking about this now. but i didnt and you need to grow the F%^& up!

sneezix

I've got a bald spot, and they're not all they're cracked up to be.

mar3

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But do you feel any wiser??

Quote:

Originally posted by Hades12

What about

http://www.kinetikaudio.com/powercells.asp


?

Luckily, I wasn't at work when I clicked that link with its ridiculous over-gained soundtrack, curse you......but, hey, they look competitively priced and are at least 4 times the battery as such...lol

Your comments are far from fact.. but I digress. Don't show me, I LIKE IT.

I did...the conditions that killed the Black Panther/Odyssey battery did not kill the Optima and that same battery, now close to 7 years old, is still in use in my 1968 'vert Firebird...it lasted 700X longer than the BP/Odyssey and about 156% longer than a Sears Gold Die-Hard without costing me 156% more than a regular battery...remember, only a fool pays retail when other avenues are present.


But, it's marketing hype that's driven the price to ~$200.

You're getting ripped...try shopping around...I literally paid HALF that for the almost 7 year old Optima in CBird.


Show me a real un-biased test. Not a paid advertisement in a magazine. Ever wonder why most US publications don't say disparaging remarks about cars? Because those cars being reviewed put up big advertising dollars.

Hilarious...you offer no research on anything but demand I show you something. And then you go right to what you think is a winning defense by espousing the well-worn liberal media, biased car review rhetoric. AutoWeek is not one of those magazines and neither is Car Craft. For that matter, and some will view this as heresy, neither is SuperStreet. So, let's see YOU pull the CC article and demonstrate true researching ability. It was not a paid ad, it was a direct comparo article done by gearheads who know how to build HP and fast cars.


So again, I put it to you to show me an unbiased review that states with Optima you get 3x the performance over a regular battery. I guarantee you can't, because no lab worth their degrees would put that out there.

Oh, damn....now, you're going to try to define the argument? Nope, that's not how it works, esse...somebody else tossed out those "3X the battery" numbers...show ME where I say that or where I say that number is correct or toss that nonsense out the door. I used YOUR supposition to define the debate and provided the material that clearly illustrated you had done no serious research at all to come to your invalid opinion...and labs work on stuff that brings in the money or the grants. How many of any of the American aftermarket parts manufacturers actually do any funding for papered research labs? It's a ridiculous statement tossed out there for diversionary tactics...when you get people who do 'in-the-field' work with product, do you consider what they find real results or not? Research theory and results don't always jibe with what happens when the real world gets ahold of those theories/experiments and puts them into practice....so what is more important? Theory and hypotheticals that stay in a lab or get published in a peer-reviewed journal never to be used or the bloke who actually uses the product? Which should be considered more important especially for a "I want" product (vs. "I need...") such as an aftermarket battery?

The answer should be obvious. The answer is highlighted right here. To callously dismiss primary card reference testimonials as laymen who don't know any better or have been fooled by the liberal media, is the epitome of intellectual arrogance. For shame, college graduate.

Lastly, head over to the DoO to understand that there hasn't been any flaming to this point at all....why, it's been quite civil, in fact...

gsl-se addict

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Man, I've never seen people get so worked up over a battery before. You guys should chill out a bit, m'kay? Just like anything else, the person buying the product should research it and see if it is right for them. Certainly this type of battery is good for battery relocation. In the stock position, you could go either way. Just a personal preference whether you think the benefits of something like the Optima are worth the additional cost over lead acid. No need to flame each other over something that is their choice...

rearviewmirror

Hook, Line, and Sinker! I love Optima debates!

The herd mentality is great. Everyone has to like the same things.

rotordave

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I'm inclined to believe rearviewmirror purely based on his avatar, which is so mesmerizing ...

j/k

I couldn't justify the cost of an Optima here in Australia where they are much more expensive, but I'd like one for peace of mind.

rearviewmirror

Ha mate.. When I was in Sydney I saw a lot of that walking around.....

bugman1973

rearviewmirror never made a choice he just wanted to stir up controversy. he needs to go somewhere else for that.

rearviewmirror

No actually I do feel that way. But it's fun to debate regardless. I have my opinion, it's ok to be different.

bugman1973

then provide us with something that says this is a better battery. testimonials would help out a lot and quit blowing smoke up our butts. show is some proof. other wise shut it

bugman1973

and does this not look nice

djessence

apparently advertising batteries is bigger in the states cuz ive never head or an optima or odessey battery before reading this threead

Stevan

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Didn't think I was going to get quoted on the 3x the battery statement, maybe its only 2.793x lol.
Iv'e had a Diehard and it died pretty easy, drained it once, maybe twice trying to start a rebuilt mustang engine. Took it back to Sears well under warranty, they tested it and guess what? buh bye. Years go by and it seems I'm buying a battery every few, then I cough $109. for the red top . I go through some rebuilt alternators, draining the battery each time , no problem. 5-6 years later it sits in the same F-150 that has progressivley been driven less and less,(the Rx and now a newer pu) and when I start it once a month or so it turns that v-8 over like its a 4 cyld, and it takes a lot of cranking for it to start.
After 27 years of "research" lol, (time driving/maintaining my vehicles)Optima is my choice.

redbstd

wanna hear some fucked up ****? my buddy works for the department of transportation and he can buy 2 i repeat 2 red tops a year for $50 apeace brand new. how i hate him!! haha thats a nice perk huh

mar3

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Looks like there's money to made there for someone willing to take the risk...

Retail always bites...that 60 cent coke in the vending machine? I can get it for 17 cents a can for our snack stand here at work...oof-da...SHOP...settle for 'used for just a month', it can make a big diff on what you pay for just about anything...

The herd mentality is great. Everyone has to like the same things.

Rebel without a Reason is likewise entertaining...always gotta be different and have some secret squirrel knowledge no one else has or could understand...

Jeezus

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My car has a battery. Do I know what kind? No. Will it start my car? Yes.

It has the same battery that has been in that car... after it sat... for a year and a half. That is what the PO told me when I bought it.

bugman1973

Jeezus you should turn your sig line in to a link for all the newbs

Jeezus

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Haha. I tried to get it noticable enough but not a nuisance.

rearviewmirror

Some gee-whiz battery info...

Currently Johnson controls owns the automotive battery portions of Hoppecke, Varta, Bosch, Grupo IMSA and Delphi. Their market names are Sears Diehard, Autozones Duralast, Wal*Marts Everstart, Motorcraft, and Optima, etc.

Exide market names are as follows; GNB, Sam's Club, Champion, NAPA, NTB, etc.

mar3

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Just out of morbid curiosity...who actually makes the Interstate line of batteries? I had to get one in a pinch for the '84 when my last Diehard died hard in my boy's school parking lot and I had to walk to a shop to tell my story...it was cheap enough, but I'm thinking he got an under-sized battery in there because it sounds like a struggle to start the 12A every time as opposed to the virtual 'NASCAR' wrench sound I get from the bat in Furious, the '83. Since the '84 is the daily driver and is quite neglected regarding underhood detail, I'm going to let the Interstate sit in there until it dies and then do the complete detail job prior to the next Optima going in....unless I sell the car, of course. Then they can have that thing.

trochoid

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There is a Johnson Control factory here. A number of years back, they lost the Sears account, don't know if they ever got it back. Afaik, they make Interstate batteries too.

I paid about 125 for the Red Top in the widebody. The only reason I went with it is because I plan on relocating it to one of the bins. Otherwise I would have bought a stock wet cell.