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Old Feb 20, 2012 | 10:26 PM
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Swapping a S4 NA into my FB right now. I ran into an issue with my old school 13b (REPU) front cover. It uses the old style bottom-feed twin output OMP like the 12a's. Obviously this design is incompatible with the rear-feed quad output OMP the FC's use.

Is it possible to simply "Y" the nipples of the old style OMP to lubricate my engine or am I stuck fabbing an adapter plate in order to employ the FC pump?
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Old Feb 20, 2012 | 10:37 PM
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to fit the s4 OMP to the FB timing cover requires you to tap one hole and notch the oil gallery to match up,, could not get any simpler
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Old Feb 21, 2012 | 10:28 AM
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the best way to do it is to install a GSL-SE front cover. it will have the right OMP.
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Old Feb 21, 2012 | 02:20 PM
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I neglected to mention that I've already installed the engine into the car, access is somewhat limited.





Bumpstart, do you have any pictures of the modification you mentioned?
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Old Feb 21, 2012 | 11:56 PM
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the typical mods needed to make a 12a timing cover suit the s4 4 way OMP , with a turbo oil drain
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Old Feb 22, 2012 | 08:07 PM
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If Im not mistaken,the last versions of Cosmo and S6 RX-7 engines only ran 1 injector per housing and they did just fine.Over the years oil got better and Mazda slowly reduced the amount of oil that was injected into the engine.Of course the material quality and SIP process improved as well on the rotor housing running surfaces.

Don't quote me on this,but I'd bet the 2 pipe 70's-80's pumps puts out more oil than the 13B 4 pipe unit on the injected engines.
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Old Feb 22, 2012 | 08:19 PM
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Don't quote me on this,but I'd bet the 2 pipe 70's-80's pumps puts out more oil than the 13B 4 pipe unit on the injected engines.
i suspect you are right, however the FD pump spec isn't in the FSM, so its hard to say. i bet it is in the cosmo book though
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Old Feb 22, 2012 | 11:10 PM
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Originally Posted by steve84GS TII
If Im not mistaken,the last versions of Cosmo and S6 RX-7 engines only ran 1 injector per housing and they did just fine.Over the years oil got better and Mazda slowly reduced the amount of oil that was injected into the engine.Of course the material quality and SIP process improved as well on the rotor housing running surfaces.

Don't quote me on this,but I'd bet the 2 pipe 70's-80's pumps puts out more oil than the 13B 4 pipe unit on the injected engines.
i actually have the numbers and they go up with the expected engine output
the s4 NA is less than the s4 turbo
,, and both are more volume at full stroke than the carbed engines
also have an output graph for the s5 EOMP somewhere

IIRC the carb 2 oiler ( no banjo fittings ) is 1.8 -2.2 cc @ 2000 rpm /5mins
the s4 NA is 2.1- 2.8 cc ( suspect 12at and GSL-SE are the same )
the s4 T is 2.6-3.3 cc


if you have housing injectors then you need a mech linkage pump that has the banjo fittings ( 12at , GSL-SE , s4 NA and s4 turbo )
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Old Feb 23, 2012 | 12:40 AM
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Originally Posted by bumpstart
if you have housing injectors then you need a mech linkage pump that has the banjo fittings ( 12at , GSL-SE , s4 NA and s4 turbo )
Agreed. If you use the the carb version with housing injectors, it will blow out the seal in the OMP. I've had it happen a few times before I caught on.
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Old Feb 23, 2012 | 01:22 AM
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Originally Posted by bumpstart
to fit the s4 OMP to the FB timing cover requires you to tap one hole and notch the oil gallery to match up,, could not get any simpler
Premix. it just got simpler.
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Old Feb 23, 2012 | 05:21 AM
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Premix is what I was thinking too.



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Old Feb 23, 2012 | 12:20 PM
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i actually have the numbers and they go up with the expected engine output
the s4 NA is less than the s4 turbo
,, and both are more volume at full stroke than the carbed engines
also have an output graph for the s5 EOMP somewhere

IIRC the carb 2 oiler ( no banjo fittings ) is 1.8 -2.2 cc @ 2000 rpm /5mins
the s4 NA is 2.1- 2.8 cc ( suspect 12at and GSL-SE are the same )
the s4 T is 2.6-3.3 cc


if you have housing injectors then you need a mech linkage pump that has the banjo fittings ( 12at , GSL-SE , s4 NA and s4 turbo )
the GSL-SE and S4 na use the same N246-14-600 pump, and i have no 12A turbo parts catalog, but i would also suspect N246 is a 12A-T part number.

there are a couple different carb pumps too, the late N249-14-600 is the 1.8-2.2cc one, the earlier 1757-14-600 puts out a little more 2.0-2.5cc/6 minutes, although .3 of a cc, is like half a drop....
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Old Feb 25, 2012 | 08:18 PM
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Just premix, my omp broke and that's the route I went. No drop in performance and proven longer engine life, what's wrong? Also as a note, if the idea of carrying around a jug of oil sounds off then just get a mason jar from some spaghetti sauce and one of those premix syringes from Walmart.
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