OMP Dilemma
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From: Detroit Jr.
OMP Dilemma
Swapping a S4 NA into my FB right now. I ran into an issue with my old school 13b (REPU) front cover. It uses the old style bottom-feed twin output OMP like the 12a's. Obviously this design is incompatible with the rear-feed quad output OMP the FC's use.
Is it possible to simply "Y" the nipples of the old style OMP to lubricate my engine or am I stuck fabbing an adapter plate in order to employ the FC pump?
Is it possible to simply "Y" the nipples of the old style OMP to lubricate my engine or am I stuck fabbing an adapter plate in order to employ the FC pump?
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I neglected to mention that I've already installed the engine into the car, access is somewhat limited.



Bumpstart, do you have any pictures of the modification you mentioned?




Bumpstart, do you have any pictures of the modification you mentioned?
If Im not mistaken,the last versions of Cosmo and S6 RX-7 engines only ran 1 injector per housing and they did just fine.Over the years oil got better and Mazda slowly reduced the amount of oil that was injected into the engine.Of course the material quality and SIP process improved as well on the rotor housing running surfaces.
Don't quote me on this,but I'd bet the 2 pipe 70's-80's pumps puts out more oil than the 13B 4 pipe unit on the injected engines.
Don't quote me on this,but I'd bet the 2 pipe 70's-80's pumps puts out more oil than the 13B 4 pipe unit on the injected engines.
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If Im not mistaken,the last versions of Cosmo and S6 RX-7 engines only ran 1 injector per housing and they did just fine.Over the years oil got better and Mazda slowly reduced the amount of oil that was injected into the engine.Of course the material quality and SIP process improved as well on the rotor housing running surfaces.
Don't quote me on this,but I'd bet the 2 pipe 70's-80's pumps puts out more oil than the 13B 4 pipe unit on the injected engines.
Don't quote me on this,but I'd bet the 2 pipe 70's-80's pumps puts out more oil than the 13B 4 pipe unit on the injected engines.
the s4 NA is less than the s4 turbo
,, and both are more volume at full stroke than the carbed engines
also have an output graph for the s5 EOMP somewhere
IIRC the carb 2 oiler ( no banjo fittings ) is 1.8 -2.2 cc @ 2000 rpm /5mins
the s4 NA is 2.1- 2.8 cc ( suspect 12at and GSL-SE are the same )
the s4 T is 2.6-3.3 cc
if you have housing injectors then you need a mech linkage pump that has the banjo fittings ( 12at , GSL-SE , s4 NA and s4 turbo )
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if you have housing injectors then you need a mech linkage pump that has the banjo fittings ( 12at , GSL-SE , s4 NA and s4 turbo )
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i actually have the numbers and they go up with the expected engine output
the s4 NA is less than the s4 turbo
,, and both are more volume at full stroke than the carbed engines
also have an output graph for the s5 EOMP somewhere
IIRC the carb 2 oiler ( no banjo fittings ) is 1.8 -2.2 cc @ 2000 rpm /5mins
the s4 NA is 2.1- 2.8 cc ( suspect 12at and GSL-SE are the same )
the s4 T is 2.6-3.3 cc
if you have housing injectors then you need a mech linkage pump that has the banjo fittings ( 12at , GSL-SE , s4 NA and s4 turbo )
the s4 NA is less than the s4 turbo
,, and both are more volume at full stroke than the carbed engines
also have an output graph for the s5 EOMP somewhere
IIRC the carb 2 oiler ( no banjo fittings ) is 1.8 -2.2 cc @ 2000 rpm /5mins
the s4 NA is 2.1- 2.8 cc ( suspect 12at and GSL-SE are the same )
the s4 T is 2.6-3.3 cc
if you have housing injectors then you need a mech linkage pump that has the banjo fittings ( 12at , GSL-SE , s4 NA and s4 turbo )
there are a couple different carb pumps too, the late N249-14-600 is the 1.8-2.2cc one, the earlier 1757-14-600 puts out a little more 2.0-2.5cc/6 minutes, although .3 of a cc, is like half a drop....
Just premix, my omp broke and that's the route I went. No drop in performance and proven longer engine life, what's wrong? Also as a note, if the idea of carrying around a jug of oil sounds off then just get a mason jar from some spaghetti sauce and one of those premix syringes from Walmart.
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