Herblenny

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I'm just curious to know how many GSL-SE's were produced in 85.. I know they are the last 1st gen.

jays83gsl

Well, whenever I look to buy a first gen, it seems as though I can find nothing BUT 85 GSL SE, even though I don't NEED an SE, so, I'd say common.

Jon_Valjean

In this country, rarer than an intelligent republican.

680RWHP12A

how rare are GSL-SE models?
as rare as a 3 legged dog winning an *** kicking contest!

they made the least amount of the se models and they are the most sought after.... so...yes a clean se is pretty rare!

Brianhsval

Phil, did you get lost, or just slumin'? That question has been asked before, and the general knowledge is that no one knows. Mazda supposedly isn't telling how many were ever shipped to the US. I know that I own 1 of 4 in Hsv. I don't think that they are that rare, but very sought after among first gen owners. There was however a limited edition that is very rare. '83 I think. Only about 1500 or so of those made. The more the years pass though the rarer the SE will be.

Herblenny

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Sorry Brian.. i guess I should click on the "search" button.. Like my title say, I'm a "newbie".

Thanks for that info.. I was just wondering as I'm now committed to buying this 1st gen.. Its in beautiful condition and I thought why not. Since I'm getting some money back from the good ole IRS.

RX7Elmo

i'd say they are more rare than the regular models, but not that bad. Iv'e seen a lot of the SEs for sale locallly and there are a few on ebay. It's not like tryingn to find a CYM 1993 RX7 or something.

RX7Rox

I thought I had read here one time..that there were a little more than 5,000 SE models (84 and 85) imported here. I think the reason why they can still be found is people spending $16,000-$17,000 on these cars bought new...they were better maintained and cared for.

blazer1313

and to think i paid $1600 for mine last year.....hmmmmm. I have easily put another $1600 into it since then.

85slvrblt

The SEs were pretty common I think, there we 5000 LEs produced, maybe thats where the number came from. Some other interesting numbers:

1970 100,000th Mazda Rotary vehicle produced.
1973 500,000th rotary engined car produced.
1978 Millionth Mazda Rotary Engine produced.
1990 Cumulative production of 1 million RX-7s was achieved.
1999 Jan. 1: 1,790,793 total Mazda Rotary Vehicles produced.

In 1973, Mazda sold 104,960 cars in the US, twice the previous year's total. More than 92 percent had rotary engines.

A total of 474,565 first generation RX-7 were produced (from X605 through P132) from 1978 through July 1985.

Almost 80 % or 377,878 were exported to the US. By 1990, a million RX-7s had been produced.

Sales of RX-7's in US by Calendar Year
1978: 19,299
1979: 54,853
1980: 43,731
1981: 43,418
1982: 48,889
1983: 52,514
1984: 55,696
1985: 53,810
1986: 56,243
1987: 38,345
1988: 27,814
1989: 16,249
1990: 9,743
1991: 6,986
1992: 6,006 (4,861)
1993: 5,062 (5,047)
1994: 2,210
1995: 1,399

Total: 538,658 RX-7's.

Source: http://www.monito.com/wankel/production.html

3rd Gen Numbers: http://alecto.bittwiddlers.com/vehic...-numbers.shtml

rwatson5651

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I love it when someone that knows his stuff steps up, thanks!

skrewloose78

where you counting my -se also brian?

ive had 3 gsl's i currently own 1 -se and im about to buy another.
i havent seen that many -se's around here

Dan H

They're rare but not that rare, at least not here. I always seem to find a GSL-SE for sale here about once every week or two.

Herblenny

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85slvrblt, thanks for the numbers..

Brianhsval

No, screwloose I wasn't counting yours. That would make 5 and if you are buying another then that would be 6 in Huntsville. All in all Phil I love my SE and I don't think that I would get rid of her for anything.

John64

So it looks like 95's would be the harest to come by with those numbers.

bizarro

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1984: 55,696
1985: 53,810

looking at these numbers you can't tell which were SE's and which weren't...I brought up this question way back when and no one could accurately come up with the numbers of SE's sold during these 2 years...I only assume that they are harder to come by because there were only 2 years of these made compared to the 5 years the other model FB's were made...plus during 84-85 not everyone was getting the full option SE model anyways...

too bad because I'd love to know the numbers...even if it is useless

85slvrblt

You will not think that the info is useless when you are on a game show and the question comes up! :-)

I was wondering this just a couple weeks ago actually and did some searches, so I had some saved links, thus the numbers. I had spent a reasonable amount of time searching and found some really cool links, including one that listed all types of commercially produced rotary vehicles, air, water and road produced during different years.

No specific production numbers on the GSL-SE though.

I think since it seems interesting to enough people I'll fire off an e-mail to Mazda customer relations. I had to deal with them for info when I imported my SE from canada to the states. They were pretty prompt and helpful. Hate to end up on jeopardy and not know this.... :-P

bizarro

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don't get me wrong...i LOVE useless info if you know more tidbits about the 7 that you can share then please do

Naegleria_Fowleri

The 1983 GSL Targa. I own one.

85slvrblt

Check this out, I thought this was kinda neat, yet likely the pinnicle of useless information :-)

Rotary Combustion Engine Device List


RCE Production Cars

64-67 NSU Spider (2375 or app. 5000 produced) single rotor, 500cc, 95 mph.
67 Mazda Cosmo Sport 110S L10A 2-rotor, 343 units.
68-72 Mazda Cosmo Sport 110S L10B 2-rotor, 1176 units.
68-77 NSU Ro80 (33900 or 47400 produced) 2-rotor 612 engine.
68-72 Mazda R100 Coupe 2+2. 10A engine (in US)
68-73 Mazda R100 Familia Presto Coupe 2+2. 10A eng. (in US)
? Mazda R100 sedan
70- Mazda RX-2 Capella (Japan)
71-74 Mazda RX-2 coupe. US
71-74 Mazda RX-2 sedan. US
70 Citroën M35: KKM 500 in an Ami 8.
70-72 Mazda R130 Luce Coupe
70-73 Mazda Familia Rotary SS Sedan
71-76 Mazda RX-3 coupe, imported 72 to US.
71-76 Mazda RX-3 sedan, imported 72 to US.
71-76 Mazda RX-3 wagon, imported 72 to US.
72-78 Mazda RX-4 coupe, imported 74 to US.
72-78 Mazda RX-4 sedan (X908), imported 74 to US.
72-78 Mazda RX-4 wagon, imported 74 to US.
73 Citroën Birotor: KKM 622 107 bhp
74-76 Mazda pickup truck (US only).
75-81 Mazda Cosmo RX-5, 2+2, 12A eng. Japan, imported 76-78 with 13B. Feb.76 RT
75-78 Mazda Roadpacer 4dr sedan 13B.
77-78 Mazda RX-3SP coupe 4 pass.
77-86+ Mazda Luce 4dr Sedan, 13B.
78-80 Mazda RX-7 GS X605, P642, therm react. April 78 RT?
81-85 Mazda RX-7 GSL P815 new rear, cat conv.. Aug. 80
83 Mazda RX-7 P130.
84-85 Mazda RX-7 P132 (GSL-SE) 13B eng.
84-85 Mazda RX-7 P132 (Japan Turbo) 13B eng.
81-83 Mazda P128 Cosmo 2dr coupe 12A eng.
82-83 Mazda P128 Cosmo 2dr coupe Turbo 12A eng.
83-86+ Mazda P144 Cosmo 2dr coupe 12A Turbo.
83-86+ Mazda P144 Cosmo 2dr coupe 13B DEI eng.
86-88 Mazda RX-7 2nd generation.
86-88 Mazda RX-7 Cabriolet
86-88 Mazda RX-7 Turbo II
89-91 Mazda RX-7 2nd generation, second half.
89-91 Mazda RX-7 Cabriolet
89-91 Mazda RX-7 Turbo II
89 Mazda Luce (929) FI 2-rotor 13B engine, turbo 177 hp
Mazda Cosmo SX 2-rotor 13B engine 230/6500ps 30.0/3500 kg-m
Mazda Cosmo 3-rotor 20G engine
~91 Volzhskii AZ Lada (Togliatti, Russia) 2-rotor, ltd prod'n police cars.
93-95 Mazda RX-7 3rd generation.

RCE Motorcycles

60s MZ (East German) motorcycle prototypes.
69? BSA: F&38;S in Starfire frame. Experimental.
70 BSA twin rotor in a BSA A75 Bandit frame. Experimental.
70 DKW Hercules 2000 motorcycle at Cologne m'cycle show. F&S KM914 engine.
72 Yamaha RZ201 660cc prototype shown Tokyo Show, modified Yanmar engine.
72-76 Van Veen OCR 1000 cycle, 110 bhp Comotor engine, 150 mph, water-cool.
72-77 Hercules/DKW W2000 cycle 27 bhp aircool F&S KC24 1-rotor apr 4000 units.
? Kawasaki motorcycle pre-production.
? Yamaha RZ660 2-rotor water-cooled motorcycle pre-production.
73 Suzuki RE5 shown at Tokyo Show, mass produced next year, imported 75.
75-76 Suzuki RE5 497cc single rotor motorcycle, 48 bhp, 110 mph, water cooled.
83 Norton RC588 Interpol II motorcycle 2-rotor 135 bhp, air-cooled.
87-88 Norton Classic 588cc 2-rotor civilian limited edition air-cooled 85bhp.
88 Norton Commander 588cc 2-rotor police water-cooled 85bhp.
89 Norton Commander civilian water-cooled.
89 Norton P55 supersports roadster water-cooled scheduled.
80s Norton F1 racing bike.
91 Roton racing motorcyle (Australia). Brian Crighton.

Aircraft

80s Norton target-drone engine 38 bhp from 23 pound constant speed engine.
? Cessna Cardinal light plane.
? Hughes TH55 helicopter.
? Lamborghini helicopter in production (according to ~ykho, broken link).
87-89+ Moller M200X (XM-4 with Moller modified OMC engines)
91 Moller Aerobot prototype
91 Moller M400 Skycar experimental "Powered Lift" vehicle
95 ASH 26E glider with Norton/Mid-West engine.

Snowmobiles

68-73+ Arctic Cat Lynx snowmobiles, Fichtel & Sachs engines.
69-72? Arctic Cat Panther 303.
Alouette
72-73 Skiroule RTW300, Canada, snowmobile, Fichtel & Sachs KM24 engine.
72-73 Johnson Phantom snowmobiles. Outboard Marine 471 engine, 35 bhp.
72-73 Evinrude RC-35-Q snowmobiles. Outboard Marine 471 engine, 35 bhp.
Alouette (F & S)
Scorpion (F & S)

Other Rotary Vehicles and Applications

60s NSU KKM 60 fitted to lawnmower landscaped NSU grounds.
62+ NSU skier-controlled tow boat, 3000 produced. KKM 150.
69 NSU marine engine based on KKM 612
69+ Yanmar outboard marine engines, 22-50 hp (net) single rotor.
? Mazda Parkway small bus, 13B eng.
74-80 Moller XM-4 ground effect test vehicle with 8 20 hp Fichtel & Sach eng.
70s Outboard Marine Corp 4-rotor outboard also adaptable to 1-, 2-, 3-rotor.
~86 Ingersoll-Rand air compressor large enough to stand in. IR-2500.
95 Moller mini-jet experimental boat
96 Ebbtide RX-19 boat (13B eng) 175HP NA, 240HP superch, $21-23,000, Tenn.

Rotary Cars: Prototype, Concept, and Racing

60 NSU road test in disguised Prinz sedan, 250cc, Motor Trend May 1960
62 NSU road test in disguised Prinz sedan, 250cc, 11,000 rpm max, 45 bhp.
63 NSU Sport Prinz with 400cc, 51hp, VW gearbox, 100mph MT Feb63.
63 Mazda Cosmo August, shown Oct. Tokyo Motor Show.
65 Mazda R16A, 4-rotor, 1 unit.
? NSU Spider 2-rotor.
67 Mazda RX87 Tokyo Motor Show, original designation of R130.
Mazda RX85 Tokyo Motor Show, original designation of R100
69 Mercedes C111 (initially C101) 3-rotor gullwing.
70 Mercedes C111 (initially C101) 4-rotor gullwing, 16 built, 186 mph.
70s Mercedes 2-rotor sedan prototype
70 Mazda EX005 Wankel drives electric motor. Urban vehicle.
70 Mazda RX500, Tokyo Show, mid engine 2-rotor 1146 cc
72 Chevrolet Corvette (XP-897GT) 2 rotor mid-engine, body by Pininfarina
73? NSU Ro80 Pininfarina styling.
73 Nissan Datsun 1200 w 2-rotor, 1000cc, 4bl carb, twin plugs, 4sp & auto
73 Audi 3-rotor prototype, 1 exists, perhaps the one given to Dr. Wankel.
73 (Mazda) Sigma MC73 Le Mans, 12A engine
73 Chevrolet Corvette (XP-882) 4 rotor 420 bhp.
? Chevrolet 73 Vega, planned for 2-rotor 150hp est.
? AMC Pacer, originally planned to have a rotary.
? Citroën 3-rotor CX (rumoured).
74 (Mazda) Sigma MC74 Le Mans, 12A engine
76 Mazda March 75S racing, 13B eng.
78 Mazda RX-7 Bonneville world speed record 183.904 mph class E grand tour
81 Norton engine in Austin Metro outperformed MG Metro Turbo.
81 Mazda RX-7 Type 253 Le Mans.
82 Mazda RX-7 Type 254 Le Mans, 14th.
83 Mazda 717C Le Mans Group C-Junior class winner, 12th overall.
83 BF Goodrich Lola T616 Group C2 winner, 10th overall, factory 13B eng.
~83 Two Norton water cooled engines 87 bhp each inline Reliant Scimitar SS1.
84 Mazda 727C Le Mans, 15th & 20th.
84 March 84G Twin Turbo 13B 500+ bhp
85 MX-03 Frankfurt Show, 2+2, 3-rotor 1962cc ceramic turbo eng.
85 Mazda 737C Le Mans 3rd in Group C2
86 Mazda RX-7 set land speed record 238.442 mph at Bonneville.
80s Yates hovercraft with Norton P60 and Norton NR731.
91 Mazda HR-X hydrogen fueled rotary engine concept vehicle.
91 Mazda 787B Le Mans winner 4-rotor (2616cc, 5234cc swept)
Rotus 7 (Lotus 7 replica)
94? Mazda HRX-2 hydrogen fueled rotary engine concept vehicle.
95 Mazda RX-01
1973 Mazda Japanese Series in Detail
73 Mazda Familia Rotary TSS Sedan
73 Mazda Rotary Coupe SX
73 Mazda Rotary Coupe GS
73 Mazda Capella RE Deluxe Sedan
73 Mazda Capella GS Coupe
73 Mazda Capella RE GS Coupe
73 Mazda Capella GS II Coupe
73 Mazda Capella GR Sedan
73 Mazda Capella GR Sedan RE-matic
73 Mazda GS Coupe RE-matic
73 Mazda Savanna RX Sedan (Japan RX-3).
73 Mazda Savanna GR Sedan
73 Mazda Savanna SX Coupe
73 Mazda Savanna GS II Coupe
73 Mazda Savanna GT Coupe
73 Mazda R130 Deluxe Coupe
73 Mazda R130 Super Deluxe Coupe
73 Mazda Luce Sedan RX
73 Mazda Luce Sedan GR
73 Mazda Luce Sedan GR Automatic
73 Mazda Luce Sedan GR AP (Anti-pollution)
73 Mazda Luce Custom GR
73 Mazda Luce Custom GR Automatic
73 Mazda Luce Custom GR II
73 Mazda Luce Custom GR II AP (Anti-pollution)
73 Mazda Luce Hardtop SX
73 Mazda Luce Hardtop GS
73 Mazda Luce Hardtop GS II
73 Mazda Luce Hardtop GS II Automatic
73 Mazda Luce Hardtop GS II AP (Anti-pollution)

Source: http://www.millville.org/Workshops_f.../vehicles.html

Brianhsval

If it is the silver one with red, then yes that is the one I was refering to. THat is the one that only 1500 were made. Very rare! Good to hear that someone has one still alive.

Phil, I would never say "use the seach button". Was mearly stateing that it has been disscused before.

Mills

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The 83 SE was called Chateau Silver and had a blood red interior and pinstripe. It was basically a GS option wise, but had the sweetest wheels ever factory installed on a first gen imo.