1st Generation Specific (1979-1985) 1979-1985 Discussion including performance modifications and technical support sections

Newb Questions

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old Feb 17, 2003 | 09:42 PM
  #1  
brianmcd's Avatar
Thread Starter
Senior Member
Tenured Member 05 Years
 
Joined: Feb 2003
Posts: 433
Likes: 0
From: Home
Newb Questions

Hi, I'm looking at getting a 1984 GSL-SE. I was wondering, how fast can they go with 2k invested? How much would it take to put it into the low 14s high 13s? I've been searching around but haven't found anything. Sorry if there is already a thread open about this, I'm new! Thanks a lot.

~brian
Old Feb 17, 2003 | 09:49 PM
  #2  
RotorMotorDriver's Avatar
Seven Is Coming
Tenured Member 20 Years
iTrader: (1)
 
Joined: Dec 2001
Posts: 6,503
Likes: 4
From: Washington
Depends where you put the $2K. Im body kits and ****, it would probably be slower than the stock times cause of the extra weight .

~T.J.
Old Feb 17, 2003 | 09:55 PM
  #3  
Senior Member
Tenured Member 05 Years
 
Joined: Feb 2003
Posts: 310
Likes: 0
From: Burnsville, MN
Try these, theyll help ya a lot!

http://www.racingbeat.com
http://www.mazdatrix.com

Good Luck!
Old Feb 17, 2003 | 09:59 PM
  #4  
brianmcd's Avatar
Thread Starter
Senior Member
Tenured Member 05 Years
 
Joined: Feb 2003
Posts: 433
Likes: 0
From: Home
Thanks for the links. I'd put all 2k into the engine. I'm more of an all go type of guy
Old Feb 17, 2003 | 10:05 PM
  #5  
Senior Member
Tenured Member 05 Years
 
Joined: Feb 2003
Posts: 310
Likes: 0
From: Burnsville, MN
I recomend a new carb and manifold, exhaust, and take off all uneeded emissions!
Old Feb 17, 2003 | 10:13 PM
  #6  
brianmcd's Avatar
Thread Starter
Senior Member
Tenured Member 05 Years
 
Joined: Feb 2003
Posts: 433
Likes: 0
From: Home
Originally posted by Rotary Revolution
I recomend a new carb
aren't gsl-se's fuel injected, though? thanks for the reply!

~brian
Old Feb 17, 2003 | 10:17 PM
  #7  
RotorMotorDriver's Avatar
Seven Is Coming
Tenured Member 20 Years
iTrader: (1)
 
Joined: Dec 2001
Posts: 6,503
Likes: 4
From: Washington
Yes, all GSL-SEs are fuel injected. Some people do convert them over to carb though.

~T.J.
Old Feb 17, 2003 | 10:29 PM
  #8  
rgus30's Avatar
Banned. I got OWNED!!!
 
Joined: Sep 2002
Posts: 227
Likes: 0
From: washington st/tacoma
2 grand welp you can get a stock rebuild and run 15s all day long.
rebuilding is the most costly(2000 to 7000$$) of any engine out there, check around at prices and you will say HOLY CRAP !!
even headers,intakes ect... are .out of this world for such a small engine
later

*edited by Acuspeed*
Old Feb 17, 2003 | 10:30 PM
  #9  
Manntis's Avatar
add to cart
Tenured Member: 20 Years
 
Joined: Jun 2002
Posts: 4,181
Likes: 0
From: Saskatoon, SK & Montreal, PQ
Originally posted by brianmcd
Thanks for the links. I'd put all 2k into the engine. I'm more of an all go type of guy
Put a few hundred into the Racing Beat header and exhaust system - instant 20-25hp right there before you touch the engine!!

(speaking from experience as the owner of an '85 SE with the exhaust mod)

I now have about 180hp on tap and blow away cavaliers before I notice they're trying to race.
Old Feb 17, 2003 | 10:33 PM
  #10  
Senior Member
Tenured Member 05 Years
 
Joined: Feb 2003
Posts: 310
Likes: 0
From: Burnsville, MN
And if you can handle it, run streight headers like I used to!

Even the hearing impaired could can hear that ****!
Old Feb 17, 2003 | 10:59 PM
  #11  
SilverRocket's Avatar
EliteHardcoreCannuckSquad
Tenured Member 10 Years
 
Joined: Apr 2001
Posts: 2,266
Likes: 0
From: Ontario, Canada
2 grand welp you can get a stock rebuild and run 15s all day long.
rebuilding is the most costly(2000 to 7000$$) of any engine out there, check around at prices and you will say HOLY CRAP !!
even headers,intakes ect... are .out of this world for such a small engine

later

*edited by Acuspeed
What are you talking about? $7000 rebuilds?? LOL!!!!!

Brianmcd,

This guy has been inciting flamefests and causing trouble on here recently, and doesn't have half a clue what he's talking about.

Anyways....

For $2K you can go pretty far with a first gen RX-7. My experience is with carbs, so I'll talk about that (it's a nice conversion option for a GSL-SE). You can pick up an excellent used carb/intake system for quite cheap - Racing Beat Dellorto 48DHLA complete setups go for $300 used. You will need to rebuild the carb, but this isn't too hard if you have experience or are willing to learn (I was a carb rookie and managed to end up with a very nicely tuned car, with research and the help of friends I met on here.)

With a Racing Beat exhaust system and a proper fuel pump and regulator, this combo will net you an RB claimed 190 hp on a stock engine and will have you into the 14's.

Check out this page:

http://www.gruntled.com/Dellorto/

Obviously you can go with the stock fuel injection, but my understanding is that it has it's limitations - I don't believe it will make the power of the Dellorto. I'm not sure why the conversion would have been so popular if that was the case - maybe the real SE gurus can comment on that.

Don't focus on *just* the engine - you'll definitely want a nice set of tires and some fresh suspension pieces (new shocks and bushings can go really far) to cope with that added power. Don't be concerned about buying expensive wheels - excellent tire choices are available for the stock wheel size, such as Toyo T1-S 195/55-14 and Falken Azenis 195/60-14.

So my advice is that you can easily build a very nice and decently fast GSL-SE for $2k, if you do the work yourself at least. First generation RX-7's are fantastic cars, easily one of the best fun-for-the-buck values on the market in my opinion.

Last edited by SilverRocket; Feb 17, 2003 at 11:04 PM.
Old Feb 18, 2003 | 02:45 AM
  #12  
rgus30's Avatar
Banned. I got OWNED!!!
 
Joined: Sep 2002
Posts: 227
Likes: 0
From: washington st/tacoma
.

*Edited by Acuspeed
Old Feb 18, 2003 | 02:51 AM
  #13  
RotorMotorDriver's Avatar
Seven Is Coming
Tenured Member 20 Years
iTrader: (1)
 
Joined: Dec 2001
Posts: 6,503
Likes: 4
From: Washington
What?

~T.J.
Old Feb 18, 2003 | 04:44 AM
  #14  
brianmcd's Avatar
Thread Starter
Senior Member
Tenured Member 05 Years
 
Joined: Feb 2003
Posts: 433
Likes: 0
From: Home
Would it be better to go with a 12a GS? Thanks for all of your replies, guys.
Old Feb 18, 2003 | 05:22 AM
  #15  
PaulFitzwarryne's Avatar
Apprentice Guru
Tenured Member 05 Years
 
Joined: Oct 2001
Posts: 1,425
Likes: 0
From: Cloud Nine and Peak of God
The reality is that $2000 will only get you bolt on modifications. You would end up with about 170-180 hp and still be in the high 14 seconds for the !/4. The best result if you want a better allround car is to spend $1000 on the exhaust side and $1000 on suspension/tyres for better handling/quicker cornering.

Spending $2000 on engine mods would tend to get you up a deadend with cost limits on what you cando to a stockported NA engined car.

To get serious power is another level up say a $5000 budget, rebuild with bigger ports and upgraded ecu, or transplant a good 13bt import.

Its the same story regardless of whether you go 13b with a gsl-se or a 12a gs.

$2000 is a good budget to improve any stock RX-7 if spread around the car, but you will not get near high 13s, maybe with luck and a little weight saving a streeetable very high 14s.
Old Feb 18, 2003 | 11:42 AM
  #16  
SilverRocket's Avatar
EliteHardcoreCannuckSquad
Tenured Member 10 Years
 
Joined: Apr 2001
Posts: 2,266
Likes: 0
From: Ontario, Canada
Originally posted by rgus30
BLOW ME ******** the only flamefest around here is you and you FAGET BOY friend suckin each other off

and to people that did not understand what I was tryin to say oooohhh well maybe in the nexed life they will get it [/B]
Jeeze.... gear down big rig. Simmer down, grab a beer, go get laid... it sounds like your about to burst a ventricle! It's not worth it man!

Back to the topic....

I agree with Paul Fitzwarryne, that if you're looking for real serious power and handling to match, $2000k is not close to enough.

BUT... for $2k, you can do a nice upgrade package which will net you 14's (admittedly maybe high 14's, but with some weight reduction I would say perhaps approaching mid 14's), and nice freshened up handling. This assumes you don't go in for frills, stereos, mods that do not have a high bang-for-the-buck (ignition, electric fan vs exhaust, carb for instance).

I've got a package in mind, but I'm heading out for the day now - I'll come back tonight and price out what I'm thinking, and I'm betting it's gonna come in below $2k (parts prices of course, I'm assuming all the work is done at home in the garage).
Old Feb 18, 2003 | 11:44 AM
  #17  
brianmcd's Avatar
Thread Starter
Senior Member
Tenured Member 05 Years
 
Joined: Feb 2003
Posts: 433
Likes: 0
From: Home
OK, what do you guys think of this car: http://www.autotrader.com/findacar/v...&car_year=1984

I'm thinking about going and looking at it next weekend. Is that a fair price? It's got a newly rebuilt engine, but lots of miles on everything else. Am I going to have to rebuild the tranny somewhere down the line? How much would that cost? I'm still debating on 13b vs. 12a. I can't decide what I want. After intake,headers, full exhaust, then what would i do to get more power out of the car? Thanks a lot guys.

EDIT: The white car here sold. Now I'm thinking of this green one: http://www.autotrader.com/findacar/v...&car_year=1983

Last edited by brianmcd; Feb 18, 2003 at 11:56 AM.
Old Feb 18, 2003 | 11:47 AM
  #18  
inittab's Avatar
I read your email
Tenured Member 05 Years
 
Joined: Jan 2002
Posts: 2,624
Likes: 1
From: NW New Jersey
$3500 for a 1st gen with 174000 is too much money.

EDIT, well, it does have fresh 13b in it and fresh paint I would inquire about who rebuilt the engine. If it's as nice as they claim, maybe the price isn't too bad.
Old Feb 18, 2003 | 11:49 AM
  #19  
brianmcd's Avatar
Thread Starter
Senior Member
Tenured Member 05 Years
 
Joined: Feb 2003
Posts: 433
Likes: 0
From: Home
Also, what about this one? http://www.autotrader.com/findacar/v...&car_year=1983 That is a 12a, 109k on car, only 5k on rebuilt engine.
Old Feb 18, 2003 | 11:50 AM
  #20  
brianmcd's Avatar
Thread Starter
Senior Member
Tenured Member 05 Years
 
Joined: Feb 2003
Posts: 433
Likes: 0
From: Home
Originally posted by inittab
$3500 for a 1st gen with 174000 is too much money.

EDIT, well, it does have fresh 13b in it and fresh paint I would inquire about who rebuilt the engine. If it's as nice as they claim, maybe the price isn't too bad.
I'll be sure to ask him who rebuilt the engine. Thanks for the reply.
Old Feb 18, 2003 | 11:59 AM
  #21  
brianmcd's Avatar
Thread Starter
Senior Member
Tenured Member 05 Years
 
Joined: Feb 2003
Posts: 433
Likes: 0
From: Home
The white car sold, so I'm now considering the green one: http://www.autotrader.com/findacar/v...&car_year=1983 . What do you guys think? Is that a good deal? THe price is high because of the expensive paint job. What are some things I should look for when I test drive it? Any problems that I should be wary of? Does anyone know if Rotary Restorations is a good rotary shop? Those are the people that rebuilt the engine. Thanks a lot guys, you've been very helpful.
Old Feb 18, 2003 | 12:54 PM
  #22  
jeremy's Avatar
male stripper
Tenured Member 15 Years
iTrader: (1)
 
Joined: Oct 2001
Posts: 3,126
Likes: 1
From: St Petersburg, FL
personally, no. of course i'm not big on green but it could be arctic silver and i wouldn't pay 5k. now if the car was quick and done by someone reputable, yes. otherwise save your money for something w/o a 5k kermit paintjob.
Old Feb 18, 2003 | 01:17 PM
  #23  
brianmcd's Avatar
Thread Starter
Senior Member
Tenured Member 05 Years
 
Joined: Feb 2003
Posts: 433
Likes: 0
From: Home
lol kermit paintjob
Old Feb 18, 2003 | 03:38 PM
  #24  
rgus30's Avatar
Banned. I got OWNED!!!
 
Joined: Sep 2002
Posts: 227
Likes: 0
From: washington st/tacoma
Back to the topic....

I agree with Paul Fitzwarryne, that if you're looking for real serious power and handling to match, $2000k is not close to enough.

is that what I just said in my post or am I trippin.
paul has a great point I guess it takes him to say it LOL
you need atleast a 5000+ $ budget for a serious HP and what ever,
WOW another amazing story NOw its time for a beer

I guess I sould say sorry

*Edited by Acuspeed -- and yes you should say sorry
Old Feb 18, 2003 | 03:45 PM
  #25  
jeremy's Avatar
male stripper
Tenured Member 15 Years
iTrader: (1)
 
Joined: Oct 2001
Posts: 3,126
Likes: 1
From: St Petersburg, FL
.

*Edited by Acuspeed



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 10:09 PM.