New engine swap project (w/ PICS)
05-23-07, 10:46 PM
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New engine swap project (w/ PICS)
Its been a long road till this point, and now an even longer road is ahead of me. Ive still got a ton of stuff I need to get. And prolly even more stuff on top of that that i dont know about yet.
I got the engine from mikey d here on the forum, and picked it up today. Its an s5 13bt. Ill be sure to update when i get some more parts for it
IT HAS:
~LARGER INJECTORS
~JSPEC INTAKE
~GREDDY THROTTLE ELBOW
~SE OILPAN
~SE FRONT COVER
MY PLANS:
~Megasquirt ECU
~GT35 Turbo
~MSD 6AL IGINITION
~SOME RANDOM FMIC
~GREDDY BOV
& lots of other little goodies...
My main questions right now are...
~What all do I need to make this engine mate up to my 5spd tranny from my 12a (I know its something special with the clutch and flywheel i believe)
~Is there a preffered spot to tap the front cover for the oil ines?
~Am I or am I not going to need a custom length driveshaft? (cause ive heard yes and no)
~Where can i get a turbo exhaust manifold that will work with a GT35?
I have more questions, but right now I wanna get done what i need to get done to mount the motor in the car and hook it up to the trans.
TIA and feel free to let me know what you guys think!
-Tim
I got the engine from mikey d here on the forum, and picked it up today. Its an s5 13bt. Ill be sure to update when i get some more parts for it
IT HAS:
~LARGER INJECTORS
~JSPEC INTAKE
~GREDDY THROTTLE ELBOW
~SE OILPAN
~SE FRONT COVER
MY PLANS:
~Megasquirt ECU
~GT35 Turbo
~MSD 6AL IGINITION
~SOME RANDOM FMIC
~GREDDY BOV
& lots of other little goodies...
My main questions right now are...
~What all do I need to make this engine mate up to my 5spd tranny from my 12a (I know its something special with the clutch and flywheel i believe)
~Is there a preffered spot to tap the front cover for the oil ines?
~Am I or am I not going to need a custom length driveshaft? (cause ive heard yes and no)
~Where can i get a turbo exhaust manifold that will work with a GT35?
I have more questions, but right now I wanna get done what i need to get done to mount the motor in the car and hook it up to the trans.
TIA and feel free to let me know what you guys think!
-Tim
05-24-07, 06:17 PM
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Ok, Thanks. Do you have a particular setup youd recommend for a clutch and flywheel package? I am looking for something that will hold up with 300hp and still retain some drivability. Thanks again for the info.
05-24-07, 10:18 PM
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would this work?
Would this stuff work?
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ACT-S...spagenameZWD1V
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ACT-C...spagenameZWDVW
If thats all I need to mate the trans up to the motor im gonna buy this stuff now. Oh btw, I already got a counterweight for it.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ACT-S...spagenameZWD1V
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ACT-C...spagenameZWDVW
If thats all I need to mate the trans up to the motor im gonna buy this stuff now. Oh btw, I already got a counterweight for it.
05-25-07, 12:39 AM
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You wont need a custom driveline,but Id hardly trust the tiny stock Ujoints to safely transmit the power your setup will make......let alone the 12A tranny!
The SE has a perfect little boss under the OMP that you can drill and tap for a pipe fitting.It then just a matter of a little rubber hose to make the connection.
Use a S5 13B A/T rear counterweight,and a 12A light flywheel and clutch set.......get the 225MM flywheel/clutch for the later 1st gens,and make it a heavy duty unit,youll need it.
The SE has a perfect little boss under the OMP that you can drill and tap for a pipe fitting.It then just a matter of a little rubber hose to make the connection.
Use a S5 13B A/T rear counterweight,and a 12A light flywheel and clutch set.......get the 225MM flywheel/clutch for the later 1st gens,and make it a heavy duty unit,youll need it.
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05-25-07, 05:48 AM
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If you're going to do it, do it right the 1st time so you won't be buying parts, then having to go back and buy better ones later. Start out with a TII tranny, mod it to fit the shifter hole for the 1st gen and pick up at least a Stage II clutch setup and a custom made 3" diameter driveshaft. Is it more money up front, yes, but it will save money over the long run when you find the 1st gen tranny will not hold up to 300 hp when you use the new hp for the reason you installed the TII in the 1st place.
To clear up the fuel tank differences, again, all of them are baffled, period. The SE tank has a sump cup that the supply and return lines sit in to help prevent fuel stavation that can kill an NA FI engine, turbos are even more susceptable to detonation and terminal failure.
The problem with the sump cup in the SE tanks is it only has about 1/4-1/5th the capacity that the 2nd gen tanks do. Going to the SE tank will help but it still has some risks of fuel starvation when running the tank low, hard cornering and full boost. I would still recommend a surge tank with the the SE tank. If you want one modded for the 2nd gen in tank pump, PM me. I have been quietly doing a few and it's not cheap, but it is the best insurance you can get to prevent fuel starvation, detonation and loosing and engine.
You will also need to run new supply and return fuel lines, tank to injectors, as the stock fuel lines for the carb are to small. I've run 3/8" supply and return lines for my pending TII swap. Dan S Young is running a 1/2" supply lines since he's shooting for 400+ hp.
Since your body is an 82, the SE tank is not an option as the S3 tanks will not fit. You will need to go with a surge tank and 2 fuel pumps, on low pressure and one hogh presure FI, or have your 82 tank modded, which imho, would be the best/safest way to go.
XS Power makes an ss tubular exhaust manifold that might fit your application, I haven't tried one of them. Rene, at RX3mist.com, iirc his website name, makes custom turbo manifolds t order. He's one of the quiet ones that has been highly recommended by his customers.
To clear up the fuel tank differences, again, all of them are baffled, period. The SE tank has a sump cup that the supply and return lines sit in to help prevent fuel stavation that can kill an NA FI engine, turbos are even more susceptable to detonation and terminal failure.
The problem with the sump cup in the SE tanks is it only has about 1/4-1/5th the capacity that the 2nd gen tanks do. Going to the SE tank will help but it still has some risks of fuel starvation when running the tank low, hard cornering and full boost. I would still recommend a surge tank with the the SE tank. If you want one modded for the 2nd gen in tank pump, PM me. I have been quietly doing a few and it's not cheap, but it is the best insurance you can get to prevent fuel starvation, detonation and loosing and engine.
You will also need to run new supply and return fuel lines, tank to injectors, as the stock fuel lines for the carb are to small. I've run 3/8" supply and return lines for my pending TII swap. Dan S Young is running a 1/2" supply lines since he's shooting for 400+ hp.
Since your body is an 82, the SE tank is not an option as the S3 tanks will not fit. You will need to go with a surge tank and 2 fuel pumps, on low pressure and one hogh presure FI, or have your 82 tank modded, which imho, would be the best/safest way to go.
XS Power makes an ss tubular exhaust manifold that might fit your application, I haven't tried one of them. Rene, at RX3mist.com, iirc his website name, makes custom turbo manifolds t order. He's one of the quiet ones that has been highly recommended by his customers.
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you can use a se tank, use spacers and longer bolts. the sump cup is more like 1/2 the size. but with the external pump should be about the same vol. sorry trochoid. the fuel and return lines also do not need to be that large, return line is too small on stock carb cars and the suply line needs to be for FI same size as stock t2 will be fine. that being said I am running 1/2 to the pump then 3/8 to the engine and 5/16 return. 5/16 fuel line is number wise good to about 500 hp. there was a good write up on fc3s.org a while back with all the calcs on line size. I would stay away from xs power manifolds unless you are a good welder, if good you can make your own but its probly cheeped to buy a premade one.
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Trochoid, Thanks for all that info. You are truly a god among men. my body is an 85 not 82 not that that makes much diffrence im pretty sure.
I will probally go with 5/16 fuel line, and im guessing i will be needing about 35 ft of it all together.
I really dont want to do an in tank pump. I thought the SE tank had an in tank pump, but if it doesnt and i can use that tank then i will. What kind of fuel pressure will I need for 350hp? And whats the best pump for that? (Keep in mind I have 550 and 1600cc injectors that came with this motor)
And I guess I will also use this thread to ask if anyone around MD has a T2 trans they wanna sell to me.
Thanks again everyone for all the help and info
I will probally go with 5/16 fuel line, and im guessing i will be needing about 35 ft of it all together.
I really dont want to do an in tank pump. I thought the SE tank had an in tank pump, but if it doesnt and i can use that tank then i will. What kind of fuel pressure will I need for 350hp? And whats the best pump for that? (Keep in mind I have 550 and 1600cc injectors that came with this motor)
And I guess I will also use this thread to ask if anyone around MD has a T2 trans they wanna sell to me.
Thanks again everyone for all the help and info
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If you're going to do it, do it right the 1st time so you won't be buying parts, then having to go back and buy better ones later. Start out with a TII tranny, mod it to fit the shifter hole for the 1st gen and pick up at least a Stage II clutch setup and a custom made 3" diameter driveshaft. Is it more money up front, yes, but it will save money over the long run when you find the 1st gen tranny will not hold up to 300 hp when you use the new hp for the reason you installed the TII in the 1st place.
To clear up the fuel tank differences, again, all of them are baffled, period. The SE tank has a sump cup that the supply and return lines sit in to help prevent fuel stavation that can kill an NA FI engine, turbos are even more susceptable to detonation and terminal failure.
The problem with the sump cup in the SE tanks is it only has about 1/4-1/5th the capacity that the 2nd gen tanks do. Going to the SE tank will help but it still has some risks of fuel starvation when running the tank low, hard cornering and full boost. I would still recommend a surge tank with the the SE tank. If you want one modded for the 2nd gen in tank pump, PM me. I have been quietly doing a few and it's not cheap, but it is the best insurance you can get to prevent fuel starvation, detonation and loosing and engine.
You will also need to run new supply and return fuel lines, tank to injectors, as the stock fuel lines for the carb are to small. I've run 3/8" supply and return lines for my pending TII swap. Dan S Young is running a 1/2" supply lines since he's shooting for 400+ hp.
Since your body is an 82, the SE tank is not an option as the S3 tanks will not fit. You will need to go with a surge tank and 2 fuel pumps, on low pressure and one hogh presure FI, or have your 82 tank modded, which imho, would be the best/safest way to go.
XS Power makes an ss tubular exhaust manifold that might fit your application, I haven't tried one of them. Rene, at RX3mist.com, iirc his website name, makes custom turbo manifolds t order. He's one of the quiet ones that has been highly recommended by his customers.
To clear up the fuel tank differences, again, all of them are baffled, period. The SE tank has a sump cup that the supply and return lines sit in to help prevent fuel stavation that can kill an NA FI engine, turbos are even more susceptable to detonation and terminal failure.
The problem with the sump cup in the SE tanks is it only has about 1/4-1/5th the capacity that the 2nd gen tanks do. Going to the SE tank will help but it still has some risks of fuel starvation when running the tank low, hard cornering and full boost. I would still recommend a surge tank with the the SE tank. If you want one modded for the 2nd gen in tank pump, PM me. I have been quietly doing a few and it's not cheap, but it is the best insurance you can get to prevent fuel starvation, detonation and loosing and engine.
You will also need to run new supply and return fuel lines, tank to injectors, as the stock fuel lines for the carb are to small. I've run 3/8" supply and return lines for my pending TII swap. Dan S Young is running a 1/2" supply lines since he's shooting for 400+ hp.
Since your body is an 82, the SE tank is not an option as the S3 tanks will not fit. You will need to go with a surge tank and 2 fuel pumps, on low pressure and one hogh presure FI, or have your 82 tank modded, which imho, would be the best/safest way to go.
XS Power makes an ss tubular exhaust manifold that might fit your application, I haven't tried one of them. Rene, at RX3mist.com, iirc his website name, makes custom turbo manifolds t order. He's one of the quiet ones that has been highly recommended by his customers.
Dude I'm glad I seen this post.I have an 83 with a 13bt and a blow through kit and I've been leaning out bad
So you think this could be my problem?? I hope it is thanks.
12-28-09, 02:02 PM
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Looks like trochoid goofed. I have an '81 with an SE tank. Fits fine. He meant to say an SE tank won't fit an SA. Likewise any '81 to '85 tank won't fit an SA. There are structural differences. Good info, otherwise. There aren't as many threads like this these days.
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