1st Generation Specific (1979-1985) 1979-1985 Discussion including performance modifications and technical support sections

more oil than i put in is comming out

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old Sep 18, 2009 | 09:20 AM
  #1  
Clearkut's Avatar
Thread Starter
What could possibly go wr
Tenured Member 15 Years
iTrader: (1)
 
Joined: Apr 2005
Posts: 212
Likes: 0
From: Thunder Bay, Ontario
more oil than i put in is comming out

so when i change the oil in my 12a i get more out than i put in, i always use castrol gtx, in the 4.5 l jugs, but the old oil doesnt fit into back into the new jug, its always got almost an extra litre, the car doesnt consume any coolant, and the carb is tuned well by a wideband, whats getting into my oil??????
Reply
Old Sep 18, 2009 | 10:16 AM
  #2  
DivinDriver's Avatar
1st-Class Engine Janitor
Tenured Member 10 Years
iTrader: (15)
 
Joined: Jun 2008
Posts: 8,376
Likes: 28
From: Chino Hills, CA
That's... really hard to picture. Considering the engine consumes a little oil by design, you should see a net loss, plus any oil added between changes.

Does the old oil look normal coming out? Not really frothy/chunky/milky?
Reply
Old Sep 18, 2009 | 10:37 AM
  #3  
Jeff20B's Avatar
Lapping = Fapping
Tenured Member 15 Years
iTrader: (13)
 
Joined: Aug 2001
Posts: 15,725
Likes: 91
From: Near Seattle
Fuel dilution.
Reply
Old Sep 18, 2009 | 11:23 AM
  #4  
j9fd3s's Avatar
Moderator
Community Builder
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
iTrader: (3)
 
Joined: Mar 2001
Posts: 31,837
Likes: 3,233
From: https://www2.mazda.com/en/100th/
Originally Posted by jeff20b
fuel dilution.
+1.
Reply
Old Sep 18, 2009 | 02:13 PM
  #5  
DivinDriver's Avatar
1st-Class Engine Janitor
Tenured Member 10 Years
iTrader: (15)
 
Joined: Jun 2008
Posts: 8,376
Likes: 28
From: Chino Hills, CA
There's only three choices: Water, fuel, or a miracle.

If the oil doesn't look contaminated by water (all lung-buttery and such), then it's gotta be fuel. Quite a lot, if it's one quart for five. Probably flammable as hell.
Reply
Old Sep 18, 2009 | 04:13 PM
  #6  
Hec's 79 gs's Avatar
Senior Member
Tenured Member 10 Years
 
Joined: Mar 2006
Posts: 389
Likes: 0
From: Houston, texas, Tomball Texas x
Originally Posted by j9fd3s
+1.
+2

My fpr was set at 3.5 psi when I was having the same problem, I lower the psi to 3 and problem solved! That is with the nikki and open exaust.
Reply
Old Sep 18, 2009 | 04:17 PM
  #7  
bryceRXer's Avatar
Junior Member
 
Joined: Dec 2007
Posts: 42
Likes: 0
From: Phoenix, AZ
Is it hot when you drain it? I don't know how much, but it will expand when it gets warm, and it's cold when it goes in.
Reply
Old Sep 18, 2009 | 05:03 PM
  #8  
DivinDriver's Avatar
1st-Class Engine Janitor
Tenured Member 10 Years
iTrader: (15)
 
Joined: Jun 2008
Posts: 8,376
Likes: 28
From: Chino Hills, CA
Thermal coefficient on motor oil's probably not anywhere near 0.2, though. Probably a couple orders of magnitude below that.
Reply
Old Sep 19, 2009 | 10:13 AM
  #9  
Clearkut's Avatar
Thread Starter
What could possibly go wr
Tenured Member 15 Years
iTrader: (1)
 
Joined: Apr 2005
Posts: 212
Likes: 0
From: Thunder Bay, Ontario
fuel dilution is likely it, oil has a faint smell of gas though i would expect strong fuel smell when diluted?
so what can i do to reduce or solve this?? or is this stuck oil control ring(s) that require rebuild
Reply
Old Sep 19, 2009 | 10:23 AM
  #10  
Clearkut's Avatar
Thread Starter
What could possibly go wr
Tenured Member 15 Years
iTrader: (1)
 
Joined: Apr 2005
Posts: 212
Likes: 0
From: Thunder Bay, Ontario
Originally Posted by DivinDriver
That's... really hard to picture. Considering the engine consumes a little oil by design, you should see a net loss, plus any oil added between changes.

Does the old oil look normal coming out? Not really frothy/chunky/milky?
sorry i didnt mention. weber ida 48 with no oil injection/ never top up have never needed to no consumption, and changed every 4/5k km
I premix 2stroke, so no consumtion there, i have a pcv plumbed into the lower intake manifold for crank case ventilation and it keeps the fill cap clean and dry no lung butter, when draining its basically fine just thin considering i start with 20/50
Reply
Old Sep 19, 2009 | 10:30 AM
  #11  
Clearkut's Avatar
Thread Starter
What could possibly go wr
Tenured Member 15 Years
iTrader: (1)
 
Joined: Apr 2005
Posts: 212
Likes: 0
From: Thunder Bay, Ontario
Originally Posted by Hec's 79 gs
+2

My fpr was set at 3.5 psi when I was having the same problem, I lower the psi to 3 and problem solved! That is with the nikki and open exaust.

that would mean that it was running rich, but i'm tunned and monitored with a wideband o^2 (aem)and it barely ever gets below 10.0 afr and when it does its only a bounce for a second otherwise its tuned 11.5/14 afr's, i have heard of fuel dilution of oil happening with prolonged operation at afr's (less than)<10.0 but i solved that issue a long time ago and its still diluting
Reply
Old Sep 19, 2009 | 10:51 AM
  #12  
j9fd3s's Avatar
Moderator
Community Builder
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
iTrader: (3)
 
Joined: Mar 2001
Posts: 31,837
Likes: 3,233
From: https://www2.mazda.com/en/100th/
Originally Posted by Clearkut
that would mean that it was running rich, but i'm tunned and monitored with a wideband o^2 (aem)and it barely ever gets below 10.0 afr and when it does its only a bounce for a second otherwise its tuned 11.5/14 afr's, i have heard of fuel dilution of oil happening with prolonged operation at afr's (less than)<10.0 but i solved that issue a long time ago and its still diluting
11.5 is still kinda rich, and b how fresh is the motor?
Reply
Old Sep 20, 2009 | 01:50 PM
  #13  
Clearkut's Avatar
Thread Starter
What could possibly go wr
Tenured Member 15 Years
iTrader: (1)
 
Joined: Apr 2005
Posts: 212
Likes: 0
From: Thunder Bay, Ontario
so i switched up the idle jet, the range is about 12.5/15 for afr's now, and changed the oil, and double checked the level at just a hair over full, now to see if these afr's makes a difference.

the motor is still strong with compression, about 110psi all round, at about 70k km(almost 45k miles) on this rebuild, starts like a charm hot or cold,

j9fd3s'
what mixtures do you keep around having an ida,
Reply
Related Topics
Thread
Thread Starter
Forum
Replies
Last Post
trickster
2nd Generation Specific (1986-1992)
25
Jul 1, 2023 04:40 PM
alphawolff
1st Generation Specific (1979-1985)
17
Nov 17, 2015 05:57 PM
KAL797
Test Area 51
0
Aug 11, 2015 03:47 PM




All times are GMT -5. The time now is 11:23 AM.