::mint:: GSL-SE on e-bay (not mine, it's just amazing)
02-05-05, 05:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Aviator 902S
I actually agree with most of what you're saying here. There are tastefully done mods that can make a car bring a better price than it would if stock. A Chip Foose overhaul would be an example. But you could almost never tack on the cost of doing the mods to the appraised value of a pristine original and get your investment back.
The above scenario (ie: tasteful mods increasing the car's value) may apply when restoring garden-variety rides such as El Caminos, Dodge Monacos and Ford Galaxie 500s. But it's a little more critical with exotics, and even with highly-sought-after-in-their-day cars such as 240Zs, '60s Mustangs and MGAs. For these and others like them it's wise to make sure any mods done are reversible. (hint: store the original exhaust, steering wheel, fuel delivery systems, etc.).
This of course does not mean it's necessary to stick with original brand bias-ply tires--- that would be ridiculous overkill and nobody would consider it a plus when deciding what to pay. Same goes for aftermarket sound systems, although keeping the stock radio in place and tastefully (discretely) installing the aftermarket sound in such a way that it can hide behind a contoured panel when not in use would be a wise approach.
One of my 70's sports cars came with a twin-post style radio, and I had the innards replaced with modern electronics keeping the stock faces so it looks the same externally. It makes the car more enjoyable to drive, and it does not lose any points in judging.
One thing about the likes of Barrett Jackson auctions is that even though the clientelle knows cars and their values, many of them are also stinkin' rich. $100,000 is chump change to them. If they want a particular car bad enough they would think nothing of plunking down 50% over market value just to have it. Maybe it's their favourite color, or maybe they got laid for the first time in the back seat of one like it. But have you ever noticed how much the bidding thins out once the price goes above market value for a given make and model?
02-05-05, 07:32 PM
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How much would you pay for a 100% original 85 gsl-se with 35k original miles? I'm asking because I have located one. I am scheduled to look at it and no I won't post pics of it or give any other info on it until I buy it.......lol I don't need someone finding out where it is 
02-05-05, 07:54 PM
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love the Grey Interior!!!! Is that stock? or has it been redone??????
Wow I have the red leathers and Mine isn't close to being that clean, althought the exterior of my car has no rust and looks great, the Large windows and Glass roof have let the Sun destroy the colour, mostly the door I guess!!!! I am extremely jelous of the interior on that car!!!!
Wow I have the red leathers and Mine isn't close to being that clean, althought the exterior of my car has no rust and looks great, the Large windows and Glass roof have let the Sun destroy the colour, mostly the door I guess!!!! I am extremely jelous of the interior on that car!!!!
02-05-05, 08:02 PM
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Originally Posted by RotaryRevn
How much would you pay for a 100% original 85 gsl-se with 35k original miles? I'm asking because I have located one. I am scheduled to look at it and no I won't post pics of it or give any other info on it until I buy it.......lol I don't need someone finding out where it is
I bought a pristine GSL loaded with about 70K on the odo, all original, owned by the same family since new. I paid over 3K for the no rust, straight body and perfect interior.. But I'm slightly modding it (I can return it to original shape though).
It all depend on what YOU want.
02-05-05, 08:05 PM
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Originally Posted by RotaryRevn
How much would you pay for a 100% original 85 gsl-se with 35k original miles? I'm asking because I have located one. I am scheduled to look at it and no I won't post pics of it or give any other info on it until I buy it.......lol I don't need someone finding out where it is
02-05-05, 08:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Aviator 902S
As long as the car is all original, has all documentation and service records, no accidents, zero flaws, everything in good working order (even the rear hatch shocks!), has not even the slightest hint of rust anywhere (inside or out), has the 5 speed std transmission (no automatics qualify!) and is not tan, brown , beige or any other gaudy color I'd pay $5500 U.S. Beyond that price I can find an equally nice one here in Canada for under 7K in Canadian currency, which is about 5K U.S.
I was thinking I want to pay no more than 4 but might as well try for 3. I have seen a few like this sell for 7k on ebay. I plan to just store it and keep the miles down, take it to shows ect. I am going to look at it next saturday, have seen tons of pics already. It is not even advertised for sale, just happend to run across it.
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02-05-05, 08:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Frankie4skin
love the Grey Interior!!!! Is that stock? or has it been redone??????
Wow I have the red leathers and Mine isn't close to being that clean, althought the exterior of my car has no rust and looks great, the Large windows and Glass roof have let the Sun destroy the colour, mostly the door I guess!!!! I am extremely jelous of the interior on that car!!!!
Wow I have the red leathers and Mine isn't close to being that clean, althought the exterior of my car has no rust and looks great, the Large windows and Glass roof have let the Sun destroy the colour, mostly the door I guess!!!! I am extremely jelous of the interior on that car!!!!
As for your red interior, there is an uphoulstry dye called Vinylkote (look up Parasol Inc.) that will have it looking like brand new for about $150 and about six hours of your time. I re-did mine the summer before last and it still looks like new.
02-05-05, 09:28 PM
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Now that I've looked at the pics for the 174th time, I see that the engine compartment appears to have tons of overspray. I hate trying to guess condition from digital pics; everything looks cleaner than it does IRL. I thought at first it was reflection from the hood, but it doesn't look like that bright of a day to begin with, and certain parts are showing red which shouldn't be reflective at all. What sort of paint shop sprays under the hood without some rudimentary masking? I'd really like someone's up close observations.
Oh well. Lacking that, my budget for the car is $4K max. I'm not saying it couldn't go for more, but that's all I'd pay on the strength of the pictures.
-dave
Oh well. Lacking that, my budget for the car is $4K max. I'm not saying it couldn't go for more, but that's all I'd pay on the strength of the pictures.
-dave
02-05-05, 09:30 PM
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BTW, the latest question on the auction cracked me up:
"I have owned three of these 1st gen RX-7's but never one that has the fuel injection motor. Does this car have the choke **** in the car located to the left of the steering wheel? Thanks"
Hehe.
"I have owned three of these 1st gen RX-7's but never one that has the fuel injection motor. Does this car have the choke **** in the car located to the left of the steering wheel? Thanks"
Hehe.
02-05-05, 11:11 PM
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Any time a 1st gen has been painted I am automatically suspicious of the quality. He says "paint shop is one of the best around here" but it is a sad fact of economics that most people will not spend the money for a high quality paint job, which could cost 2-4x as much as the car. There looks like some overspray on the hatch hinge, and side trim, which would indicate they were not removed prior to painting. Eventually, the paint will bubble and peel up along the edge of the trim and look nasty. It also looks like the black paint is rubbing off the top of the rain gutter. As noted the engine compartment is very dirty. That car looks like a nice driver, but it is far from pristine or mint. Because it has been repainted with suspect quality, it is not completely original either.
02-05-05, 11:12 PM
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engine bay looks like ***, how did they keep the wheels so great but the aluminum under the hood so shitty. i suspect a major resto job, there is a lot of overspray. overall damn fine looking though
have you guys noticed every rx-7 comes with a haynes manual, every single car I've bought has had one.
have you guys noticed every rx-7 comes with a haynes manual, every single car I've bought has had one.
02-06-05, 11:25 AM
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Originally Posted by cosmicbang
Any time a 1st gen has been painted I am automatically suspicious of the quality. He says "paint shop is one of the best around here" but it is a sad fact of economics that most people will not spend the money for a high quality paint job, which could cost 2-4x as much as the car. There looks like some overspray on the hatch hinge, and side trim, which would indicate they were not removed prior to painting. Eventually, the paint will bubble and peel up along the edge of the trim and look nasty. It also looks like the black paint is rubbing off the top of the rain gutter. As noted the engine compartment is very dirty. That car looks like a nice driver, but it is far from pristine or mint. Because it has been repainted with suspect quality, it is not completely original either.
BTW, I'm assuming the price for a quality paint job means that you use only the best primer, paint and clearcoat, and that you're paying a professional to do the work. Painting cars is not something I have first-hand experience at, but I have read up on it and covered the topic in aircraft maintenance (airframe) studies.
It sounds like the difference in price between a good and bad paint job is the materials quality, the detail level and the labor involved to achieve that level of detail. It sounds like even a pro can cut corners if it suits him and then charge you for champagne while delivering ****. I've read more than one post on here lamenting that if you want something done right you gotta do it yourself.
So assuming that I'm willing to pick up a couple of texts and read up on this, and then practice with an HVLP system using cheap paint until I'm good at it before actually applying the good stuff, and leave no stone unturned getting rid of rust and flaws (and removing necessary hardware), and settling for nothing short of perfect body prep---- roughly how much would I end up spending for the necessary materials to do this right?
02-07-05, 12:03 AM
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RotaryRevn,
That SE is cleaner than MINE!!! And I get compliments on it where ever I go! Get it, or I will sell mine and get that!
That SE is cleaner than MINE!!! And I get compliments on it where ever I go! Get it, or I will sell mine and get that!
You will be the first to know if I don't get it
No one else even knows about it so we should be good.
02-07-05, 12:07 AM
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Originally Posted by RotaryRevn
How much would you pay for a 100% original 85 gsl-se with 35k original miles? I'm asking because I have located one. I am scheduled to look at it and no I won't post pics of it or give any other info on it until I buy it.......lol I don't need someone finding out where it is
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and as promised, i will pick up your bar this coming saturday morning so as to avoid that nasty *** 110 traffic. btw, i just swung by wacky's pad today and dave already bought the starion IC from ya. so i guess i'll be just bringing $50 with me.
02-11-05, 11:21 PM
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Well, at $4,050, it's finally past my limit. Good luck to whoever wins it; let us know if she's as pretty as her pictures.
BTW, I wrote the seller about the paint overspray in the engine bay. He initially gave me a song and dance about not knowing what overspray was, then supposedly went out the next day to look and found nothing. On the off chance that this car is a complete pig-in-a-poke, I'll forward the email to the winning bidder if they need help proving the car was misrepresented--also assuming there is in fact overspray under the hood (sure looks that way to me).
-dave
BTW, I wrote the seller about the paint overspray in the engine bay. He initially gave me a song and dance about not knowing what overspray was, then supposedly went out the next day to look and found nothing. On the off chance that this car is a complete pig-in-a-poke, I'll forward the email to the winning bidder if they need help proving the car was misrepresented--also assuming there is in fact overspray under the hood (sure looks that way to me).
-dave