making alchohol 2 burn
05-03-06, 07:11 PM
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making alchohol 2 burn
has anyone ever made their own still 2 make alchohol and burn im looking into it and wondering since it would be cheaper and its not against the law unless i sell it thx
05-03-06, 08:14 PM
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yeah its really not viable to make it yourself in the quantities you need to run a car off it. plus youd have to distill and filter it god knows how many times to get it pure enough to put in your tank.
05-03-06, 08:20 PM
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You need a permit to do it but it is sposted to be easy to get.
A company sales a still setup and you use the same mash over and over, You only distile the water off the mash and not the actual mash. There is also a company that sales a kit to retrofit your car as you have to burn more alchonl as it has less BTU then Gasoline.
I have the links to this info but I am not sure of where they are, I will try to find them in the next day or two.
found one of them
http://www.revenoor.com
A company sales a still setup and you use the same mash over and over, You only distile the water off the mash and not the actual mash. There is also a company that sales a kit to retrofit your car as you have to burn more alchonl as it has less BTU then Gasoline.
I have the links to this info but I am not sure of where they are, I will try to find them in the next day or two.
found one of them
http://www.revenoor.com
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05-03-06, 08:39 PM
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They say that you dont distill the mash, you distill the Beer off of the mash which gives much more alchol without using up the mash as quickly.
Their FAQ says one Acre of Sugar Beets will make 1200 gallons of alchol. I burn about 500 gallons of gas a year, real tempted to give this a try.
Their FAQ says one Acre of Sugar Beets will make 1200 gallons of alchol. I burn about 500 gallons of gas a year, real tempted to give this a try.
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05-03-06, 08:42 PM
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the water off the mash contains starch/malt/sugar which is fermented into alcohol, after a number of cycles there is simply no starch left in the mash and you must use new mash.
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05-03-06, 08:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Hades12
They say that you dont distill the mash, you distill the Beer off of the mash which gives much more alchol without using up the mash as quickly.
Their FAQ says one Acre of Sugar Beets will make 1200 gallons of alchol. I burn about 500 gallons of gas a year, real tempted to give this a try.
Their FAQ says one Acre of Sugar Beets will make 1200 gallons of alchol. I burn about 500 gallons of gas a year, real tempted to give this a try.
05-03-06, 08:44 PM
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most moonshiners only get it to about 100 proof.. adn most ppl that do it there 1st time are lucky to get 75proof...everyclear is 190 proof 95% alc. 100% alc. is poison but its burns nice and clean in a car.... i thought about doing it and read up all about google has lot of stuff on it lol...... like ppl have said its really not worth it you would have to have such a big steal to make enough...
here is a nice little tip tho if you are going to do a smog test(carb cars only) you can poor in some everyclear in your gas tank that is almost on E and it can help you pass if you car does not have the smog stuff on it..caz it burns so much cleaners wooot
down side is it going to caz it to run a lil bit lean
cheers PaTricK
here is a nice little tip tho if you are going to do a smog test(carb cars only) you can poor in some everyclear in your gas tank that is almost on E and it can help you pass if you car does not have the smog stuff on it..caz it burns so much cleaners wooot
down side is it going to caz it to run a lil bit leancheers PaTricK
05-03-06, 08:55 PM
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jayroc and i were talking about this today, as he showed me this link. its feasible, and would be cost effective. you could build a still for between 500-1000 dollars easily, and the cost per gallon to produce it is around half that of gasoline. wouldnt take long to make your money back. you would have to find a happy medium though, as more alcohol is burned compared to gasoline. but hey, if you dont have anything else to do, its completely legal and would be fun. plus, you dont need a permit, if nobody knows you have it.
jayroc and i were talking about this today, as he showed me this link. its feasible, and would be cost effective. you could build a still for between 500-1000 dollars easily, and the cost per gallon to produce it is around half that of gasoline. wouldnt take long to make your money back. you would have to find a happy medium though, as more alcohol is burned compared to gasoline. but hey, if you dont have anything else to do, its completely legal and would be fun. plus, you dont need a permit, if nobody knows you have it.
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05-03-06, 08:57 PM
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haha are you serious? try 190 proof on a bad day here 
. Heres a little trick, take grapes, yeast, sugar, and your sterilizer and put it all in a plastic garbage bin with water. Squish the grapes in the mixture. Mix the batch every night for about two-three weeks. until the foaming stops. When it does take the liquid and strain it. Take a full size water purrifyer, use a 100 foot extension cord and run the liquid throught he purrifyer. Do the whole batch, clean, then run it through again, repeat untill you can burn it on a spoon with a white flame/till it all burns away with no residue.
Damn im getting low, i only made 50 gallons.
. Heres a little trick, take grapes, yeast, sugar, and your sterilizer and put it all in a plastic garbage bin with water. Squish the grapes in the mixture. Mix the batch every night for about two-three weeks. until the foaming stops. When it does take the liquid and strain it. Take a full size water purrifyer, use a 100 foot extension cord and run the liquid throught he purrifyer. Do the whole batch, clean, then run it through again, repeat untill you can burn it on a spoon with a white flame/till it all burns away with no residue. Damn im getting low, i only made 50 gallons.
05-03-06, 09:26 PM
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you could always just mix the alchohol that you make with pump gas and run that. That way you dont need to produce as much alchohol and you can just use it as a suplememt.
ps. just to be clear drinking alchohol is technically ethanol alchohol, the kind they mix with our gasoline now anyways (lots of pump gas is about 15% ethanol, and then theres E85 which is 85% ethanol). Oh and dont try to drink from an E85 pump, they mix some other poisonous crap in there so you'll just get seriously sick if you try to get drunk off of it, just like automotive nitrous oxide.
This is an awesome plan though, I just love the idea of being able to run my car from stuff I made myself. Then when gas prices jump to $4 a gallon you can just laugh at the idiots at the pump.
ps. just to be clear drinking alchohol is technically ethanol alchohol, the kind they mix with our gasoline now anyways (lots of pump gas is about 15% ethanol, and then theres E85 which is 85% ethanol). Oh and dont try to drink from an E85 pump, they mix some other poisonous crap in there so you'll just get seriously sick if you try to get drunk off of it, just like automotive nitrous oxide.
This is an awesome plan though, I just love the idea of being able to run my car from stuff I made myself. Then when gas prices jump to $4 a gallon you can just laugh at the idiots at the pump.
05-03-06, 09:45 PM
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well 1/5 of everclear to 16 gal of gas is not going to make much diff IMO, sept waste the everyclear lol...but you are on the right track its not so much an octane boost tho i kow it ands more oxgen to the fule..that is the reason it burns cleaner and runs leaner..i dont think it will help much with predetonation..like turbo blue
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05-03-06, 09:57 PM
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check this site. its got all sorts of information and links to other articles.
http://running_on_alcohol.tripod.com/id6.html
ps. is there anyone on the forum that is actually running alchohol or E85 in their car? Preferrably on a street car. I want to try something with this but it'd be nice to have proof that it's all good.
http://running_on_alcohol.tripod.com/id6.html
ps. is there anyone on the forum that is actually running alchohol or E85 in their car? Preferrably on a street car. I want to try something with this but it'd be nice to have proof that it's all good.
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05-03-06, 10:37 PM
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Originally Posted by ~Nector_Rivera~
So I can throw everclear in the tank? Would that act as some sort of octane booster?
Sleepy so I can't really peice together common or logical sense
Sleepy so I can't really peice together common or logical sense
lol no you cannot throw this in your tank for an octance booster..octane is...ugh whast that word...oh yeah tetraeththyl lead...here check this out http://www.chm.bris.ac.uk/motm/leadtet/leadh.htm
05-03-06, 10:53 PM
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^^^^^ Not really... but you're close.
Technically you are right, because the "octane" level is based on the level of trimethylpentane.
In real applications however octane is just used to measure the resistance of a fuel to knock, or pre-ignite. Nobody really cares how much octane is in their fuel, they care about its resistance to knock and speed of ignition.
(by the way high octane slow burning fuel is not very good for rotaries because of the strange shape of the combustion chamber, thats why I question how good ethanol will run in our engines. I'd suggest running an upgraded ignition system to help ignite all the fuel)
Octane rating really doesnt apply to alternative fuels like ethanol. Thats why no one can really perfectly measure the octane rating of E85 or other ethanol fuels, everything is a relative calculation.
Just based on resistance to pre-ignition ethanol has an extremely high octane rating. Even more so because of the evaporative cooling effect it has on the engine (by running ethanol you are actually cooling your engine, until it burns that is). Cooling the engine prevents knock.
Ethanol also burns cleaner and removes carbon deposits in the engine (which often cause knock by retaining heat)
I hope this makes some sense and helps you out. Sometimes I ramble.
In conclusion, no alchohol will not raise your octane level technically, but yes it will help you reduce pre-ignition in your engine (the purpose of octane boosters)
Technically you are right, because the "octane" level is based on the level of trimethylpentane.
In real applications however octane is just used to measure the resistance of a fuel to knock, or pre-ignite. Nobody really cares how much octane is in their fuel, they care about its resistance to knock and speed of ignition.
(by the way high octane slow burning fuel is not very good for rotaries because of the strange shape of the combustion chamber, thats why I question how good ethanol will run in our engines. I'd suggest running an upgraded ignition system to help ignite all the fuel)
Octane rating really doesnt apply to alternative fuels like ethanol. Thats why no one can really perfectly measure the octane rating of E85 or other ethanol fuels, everything is a relative calculation.
Just based on resistance to pre-ignition ethanol has an extremely high octane rating. Even more so because of the evaporative cooling effect it has on the engine (by running ethanol you are actually cooling your engine, until it burns that is). Cooling the engine prevents knock.
Ethanol also burns cleaner and removes carbon deposits in the engine (which often cause knock by retaining heat)
I hope this makes some sense and helps you out. Sometimes I ramble.
In conclusion, no alchohol will not raise your octane level technically, but yes it will help you reduce pre-ignition in your engine (the purpose of octane boosters)
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05-03-06, 10:59 PM
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Originally Posted by inuissus_cendi
^^^^^ Not really... but you're close.
Technically you are right, because the "octane" level is based on the level of trimethylpentane.
In real applications however octane is just used to measure the resistance of a fuel to knock, or pre-ignite. Nobody really cares how much octane is in their fuel, they care about its resistance to knock and speed of ignition.
(by the way high octane slow burning fuel is not very good for rotaries because of the strange shape of the combustion chamber, thats why I question how good ethanol will run in our engines. I'd suggest running an upgraded ignition system to help ignite all the fuel)
Octane rating really doesnt apply to alternative fuels like ethanol. Thats why no one can really perfectly measure the octane rating of E85 or other ethanol fuels, everything is a relative calculation.
Just based on resistance to pre-ignition ethanol has an extremely high octane rating. Even more so because of the evaporative cooling effect it has on the engine (by running ethanol you are actually cooling your engine, until it burns that is). Cooling the engine prevents knock.
Ethanol also burns cleaner and removes carbon deposits in the engine (which often cause knock by retaining heat)
I hope this makes some sense and helps you out. Sometimes I ramble.
In conclusion, no alchohol will not raise your octane level technically, but yes it will help you reduce pre-ignition in your engine (the purpose of octane boosters)
Technically you are right, because the "octane" level is based on the level of trimethylpentane.
In real applications however octane is just used to measure the resistance of a fuel to knock, or pre-ignite. Nobody really cares how much octane is in their fuel, they care about its resistance to knock and speed of ignition.
(by the way high octane slow burning fuel is not very good for rotaries because of the strange shape of the combustion chamber, thats why I question how good ethanol will run in our engines. I'd suggest running an upgraded ignition system to help ignite all the fuel)
Octane rating really doesnt apply to alternative fuels like ethanol. Thats why no one can really perfectly measure the octane rating of E85 or other ethanol fuels, everything is a relative calculation.
Just based on resistance to pre-ignition ethanol has an extremely high octane rating. Even more so because of the evaporative cooling effect it has on the engine (by running ethanol you are actually cooling your engine, until it burns that is). Cooling the engine prevents knock.
Ethanol also burns cleaner and removes carbon deposits in the engine (which often cause knock by retaining heat)
I hope this makes some sense and helps you out. Sometimes I ramble.
In conclusion, no alchohol will not raise your octane level technically, but yes it will help you reduce pre-ignition in your engine (the purpose of octane boosters)
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05-04-06, 12:23 AM
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What all kinds of mods would be required to run e85? I imagine since you need to burn more of it to get the same power, you'd need to jet up the carb. Also as stated before, an upgraded ignition system. Would the e85 have any ill effects on fuel line or carb gaskets?
There was a long discussion about this on another forum I'm a member of, but no specifics ever mentioned. There's a pump here in OKC, and I'd be all about running over there to try it out, if not just a few gallons to test it out.
There was a long discussion about this on another forum I'm a member of, but no specifics ever mentioned. There's a pump here in OKC, and I'd be all about running over there to try it out, if not just a few gallons to test it out.