1st Generation Specific (1979-1985) 1979-1985 Discussion including performance modifications and technical support sections

Looking into a 1st gen What you think?

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old Jul 13, 2005 | 03:00 PM
  #51  
Tom's Avatar
Tom
Whack 'em and stack 'em
Tenured Member 10 Years
 
Joined: Mar 2003
Posts: 1,373
Likes: 0
From: Clarksburg/Bridgeport WV- North Central Appalachia
I can't tell from the picture if thats a factory moonroof or not.. Could be aftermarket.

Edit- 13" disc brakes were standard on all GSL models.

Last edited by Tom; Jul 13, 2005 at 03:05 PM.
Reply
Old Jul 13, 2005 | 03:29 PM
  #52  
Xbladr's Avatar
Thread Starter
Senior Member
Tenured Member 05 Years
 
Joined: May 2005
Posts: 639
Likes: 0
From: MA
ok thanks Tom atleast someone here is helping me out lol. Anyone else wanna chime in?
Reply
Old Jul 13, 2005 | 03:59 PM
  #53  
cosmicbang's Avatar
Rotary Enthusiast
Tenured Member: 20 Years
 
Joined: Jul 2002
Posts: 1,119
Likes: 4
From: Virginia
Tom is correct to question the paint (and anything underneath it), given the door handles and locks are painted over. Of course the numerous window stickers should be a huge warning flag...

Do not be too concerned about the model trim designations. For the most part they represent option packages whose individual components can be easily added or removed. Furthermore, after 20 years, there is a good chance that a car will not match its original trim level and options anyway.

For example, that is definitely not a factory sunroof, since the roof opening is clearly too small. Someone unfortunately felt the need to hack it up and install an aftermarket sunroof. (At a minimum, you should check it for leaks.)

The seats do not look original, unless they have some kind of slipcover covering them. In which case you should check the seat's condition underneath. The muffler looks unusual, and it may or may not be suitable for a rotary. It also appears to be missing the body-side mouldings.
Reply
Old Jul 13, 2005 | 04:39 PM
  #54  
Hades12's Avatar
Burning Oil-Grinding 3rd
Tenured Member 10 Years
 
Joined: Apr 2002
Posts: 4,094
Likes: 1
From: Union Mills NC
Originally Posted by cosmicbang
It also appears to be missing the body-side mouldings.
good riddance
Reply
Old Jul 13, 2005 | 04:52 PM
  #55  
Xbladr's Avatar
Thread Starter
Senior Member
Tenured Member 05 Years
 
Joined: May 2005
Posts: 639
Likes: 0
From: MA
Now missing the body side mouldings is a good thing in my book. I will def take a really close look at everything when i see it in person.

Thanks cosmic maybe we could set up a checklist of stuff that I should really focus on looking for when I get there. As I said before I am very new to the rotary world and this will be my first ever so all the help you guys are giving me is awesome. Thanks
Reply
Old Jul 13, 2005 | 04:58 PM
  #56  
wklink's Avatar
It's either this or porn
Tenured Member 05 Years
 
Joined: May 2005
Posts: 136
Likes: 0
From: Olympia Washington
Is that a stock sunroof on that car? I would check for leaks.

It sure is green. I'd feel like Kermet on acid with that ride.

It will get you noticed though, hopefully not by the cops.
Reply
Old Jul 13, 2005 | 05:04 PM
  #57  
Tom's Avatar
Tom
Whack 'em and stack 'em
Tenured Member 10 Years
 
Joined: Mar 2003
Posts: 1,373
Likes: 0
From: Clarksburg/Bridgeport WV- North Central Appalachia
Originally Posted by cosmicbang
Tom is correct to question the paint (and anything underneath it), given the door handles and locks are painted over. Of course the numerous window stickers should be a huge warning flag...

Do not be too concerned about the model trim designations. For the most part they represent option packages whose individual components can be easily added or removed. Furthermore, after 20 years, there is a good chance that a car will not match its original trim level and options anyway.

For example, that is definitely not a factory sunroof, since the roof opening is clearly too small. Someone unfortunately felt the need to hack it up and install an aftermarket sunroof. (At a minimum, you should check it for leaks.)

The seats do not look original, unless they have some kind of slipcover covering them. In which case you should check the seat's condition underneath. The muffler looks unusual, and it may or may not be suitable for a rotary. It also appears to be missing the body-side mouldings.
Yup- check for leaks. Also check the drain holes elsewhere on the car. If they're plugged- chances are pretty good that rust exists..

My main concerns with this car would be that someone took a $250 chassis and bolted on a $1,500 body kit, slapped a coat of 7-Up on it and called it a day..

You could have a really nice looking rust-bucket.
Reply
Old Jul 13, 2005 | 05:19 PM
  #58  
camocarl's Avatar
-------------------
Tenured Member 15 Years
iTrader: (5)
 
Joined: Apr 2004
Posts: 1,798
Likes: 0
From: Raleigh
Id buy it.
Reply
Old Jul 13, 2005 | 05:29 PM
  #59  
Xbladr's Avatar
Thread Starter
Senior Member
Tenured Member 05 Years
 
Joined: May 2005
Posts: 639
Likes: 0
From: MA
Alright thanks TOM I will defintately look into that. THe green is bright and I will prob repaint it later on depending. Also the guy who traded this car to the kid selling it now supposidly raced it and was a mechanic. I guess he took it to the track a few times a year as well. Like I said I dont know much and am waiting for more details. I will def be looking for rust everywhere on it.

The guy has had it for a while and said he almost never drives it only in the summer every once in a great while. He is in the marines I guess. The engine was supposidly rebuilt prior to him recieving the car in a trade and he says has no more than 2k miles on it thats how seldom he drives it.

Either way I am going to take tons and tons of pictures when I see it this weekend and will post them all for you to enjoy/analyze.
Reply
Old Jul 13, 2005 | 05:29 PM
  #60  
RotaryRevn's Avatar
Rotary Freak
Tenured Member: 20 Years
Liked
 
Joined: Oct 2002
Posts: 2,410
Likes: 2
Originally Posted by Xbladr
haha guys I will def take a look and I cant wait for your answer Pele.
Yes Rogue I saw that as well.
Rotory Rev I was already online last night looking for some stock black interior trim panels just to see price because that green has to go.

A few more pics. I should be adding more pics throughout the day... I will keep you posted




dude, that stuff's easy to come by. Especially the instrament cluster surround and the shifter surround. You could probably get both of those for about 10 bucks total at the junk yard. The stereo surround is a little harder to find but when I do, the yard charges 7.00 you could probably find one on ebay though for about 40.00

That car looks like it has an aftermarket sunroof though. It's all personal preference but I have never liked the looks of the aftermarket sunroof's and have passed on buying quite a few cars that I would have bought had they had no sunroof or a factory sunroof but it's all personal preference. I'm really picky though.....lol

Last edited by RotaryRevn; Jul 13, 2005 at 05:34 PM.
Reply
Old Jul 13, 2005 | 05:38 PM
  #61  
wklink's Avatar
It's either this or porn
Tenured Member 05 Years
 
Joined: May 2005
Posts: 136
Likes: 0
From: Olympia Washington
Not sure how far away this one is but if you are concerned about the mean green machine you may want to look at this one.

https://www.rx7club.com/showthread.php?t=425408
Reply
Old Jul 13, 2005 | 05:45 PM
  #62  
camocarl's Avatar
-------------------
Tenured Member 15 Years
iTrader: (5)
 
Joined: Apr 2004
Posts: 1,798
Likes: 0
From: Raleigh
Those wheels appear to be Epsilons. With the right shine, paint, the wheels are worth over 1k. Good Luck
Reply
Old Jul 13, 2005 | 05:54 PM
  #63  
Xbladr's Avatar
Thread Starter
Senior Member
Tenured Member 05 Years
 
Joined: May 2005
Posts: 639
Likes: 0
From: MA
lol picky no kidding... a sunroof haha im just playin yea I have an aftermarket one on my civic right now but its just ok the only cool thing is it being like a window above your head. Other than that the aftermarket ones arent all that great.
Reply
Old Jul 13, 2005 | 06:33 PM
  #64  
wklink's Avatar
It's either this or porn
Tenured Member 05 Years
 
Joined: May 2005
Posts: 136
Likes: 0
From: Olympia Washington
No, not picky but be careful about aftermarket sunroofs.

Almost all of them eventually leak but if it was quickly and cheaply put on it will leak a whole lot faster. What happens is your headliner will fall down around you at best and at worst you will start developing rust problems from the inside out.

The factory ones seal better and are larger. You can get glass covers for the factory ones (from 100 to 150 bucks right now) that give you the look you want, come off and seal just fine. None of us are telling you not to buy the car but just make sure it doesn't have any major problems for the money. 2K is an ok price for a decent shape GS. Just don't get ripped off. Rust in unibodies is the kiss of death. Once the rust gets bad enough the structural integrity is gone. Trust me on this, I know it. I have four unibody cars (a T-bird, a Fairlane as well as the RX7 and I was willing to put up with a myriad of problems as long as the body was solid. Rust repair in any of these cars costs $$$$$$$$$.

Last edited by wklink; Jul 13, 2005 at 06:35 PM.
Reply
Old Jul 13, 2005 | 06:33 PM
  #65  
Xbladr's Avatar
Thread Starter
Senior Member
Tenured Member 05 Years
 
Joined: May 2005
Posts: 639
Likes: 0
From: MA
wk that seems like a lot more work than I want to put into it. I also dislike the red interior thing. I almost bought a mustang a few years back but couldnt cuz it had that ugle red interior.
Reply
Old Jul 13, 2005 | 06:35 PM
  #66  
Xbladr's Avatar
Thread Starter
Senior Member
Tenured Member 05 Years
 
Joined: May 2005
Posts: 639
Likes: 0
From: MA
I agree wk link thats why i am asking for your help guys. I was really in the market for a FC but this kind of fell into my lap one day. I am on the lookout and like I said I do know about aftermarket sunroofs because I also have one on my car and I agree with you. I def dont like them either


P.S. when I also talked about the sunroof I was talkin to rotary revin cuz he said he hasnt bought a car strictly because it had an aftermarket sunroof and i was only kidding around. Anyways keep the ideas coming. I am going to start to make a list of what a person should check for when looking to buy a 1st gen
Reply
Old Jul 13, 2005 | 06:51 PM
  #67  
wklink's Avatar
It's either this or porn
Tenured Member 05 Years
 
Joined: May 2005
Posts: 136
Likes: 0
From: Olympia Washington
Well, here is my list of things (In order of importance-others will chime in). Since I just went throught he process of buying my first RX-7 I can look at this as a newbie, like you.

1. Rust. Check under the utility/cargo boxes and actually get under the car. These areas tend to rust early in these cars. If those are solid then it is a pretty good indication that the car is decent body wise.

2. Engine. It should start easily and not continuously blow smoke or gas out the tailpipe. This seems like a no brainer but a rotary with some wear (read all of them) probably will smoke a little on startup. This isn't abnormal. Oil use in these cars is supposed to be normal. Look to see if the Rat's nest has been removed (this is a bunch of vacuum/switch devices on the top drivers site part of the engine). Not having it isn't necessarily bad, a lot of folks take it off, but if you have emission requirements in your area then you may have some troubles getting the car tagged.

3. Mechanics. Brakes should of course work and pull straight. Check when the shocks were replaced. How old are the belts and hoses. Is the exhaust in good shape and are the cats still there. Again this shouldn't be a deal killer, a lot of guys take the cats off and add aftermarket exhausts but again, if you have to have emission testing done you could get screwed. New catalytic converters can be expensive. Check the little things, they add up over time. I picked my GSL-SE up for 1000 bucks so I expected to replace a lot of these things but if you aren't a mechanic or don't feel comfortable replacing belts and hoses, plug wires and other maintenence items then it can add up.

4. Drive the car. I don't know if it is a factory 5 speed or auto-I have been told to avoid automatics. Make sure the car shifts well. Very important to make sure the car stays cool when running. If it goes beyond halfway on the temp guage then don't buy the car, you will be paying big money later on.

I know others have ideas to put in. FBs are great cars. Some folks like the FCs better but I have always had a soft spot for 1st Gens, they look more like a sports car to me. 2K doesn't sound too bad for a car but realize that it probably will be a lot more over time since no 2k car comes without problems.
Reply
Old Jul 13, 2005 | 07:15 PM
  #68  
Pele's Avatar
Right near Malloy
Tenured Member: 25 Years
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
iTrader: (28)
 
Joined: Dec 1999
Posts: 7,855
Likes: 517
From: Behind a workbench, repairing FC Electronics.
Originally Posted by cosmicbang
For example, that is definitely not a factory sunroof, since the roof opening is clearly too small. Someone unfortunately felt the need to hack it up and install an aftermarket sunroof. (At a minimum, you should check it for leaks.)
You bastard! Yeah. The stock sunroof ends at the same line as the rear edge of the doors. Yours appears to be similar to the one that I snagged out of another GS from someone. (I thought it was stock. I didn't have the measurements on hand so I couldn't compare... It'll end up going in my pickup truck. Check the handle for the brandname SFC or AutoPort.)



The rear wiper was removed... Why exactly...
Well, one would suspect weight savings...

HOWEVER... Note the missing stereo control dealit behind the power window switches. Also the lack of a factory sunroof definately puts this at S or GS... (GSL had a weird little joystick for controlling the fade and balance of the stock stereo. Upon upgrading the stereo, it's kinda useless unless you wanna put guided missiles or something in the car.) Hence the wiper was removed due to lack of wiring for it.

Your wiper switch handle blocks view of the missing rear wiper switch in the pics.

Now we've gotta pick one, S or GS... Well, S had NO options. Power Windows, Power Mirrors, and Electric hatch pop all put you out of that. Hence GS...

Now, here, we have a little dilemma. Your e-brake handle is extraordinarily high... This brings me to one of two conclusions.

1.) You have a drum brake rear. They need to be adjusted. Adjust them.
2.) Someone swapped in a disc brake rear. They didn't hook the cable up properly or used the wrong cable. Fix it.

Now, wandering slightly, I like the FC steering wheel you've got there. Updates the interior muchly.
Reply
Old Jul 13, 2005 | 08:13 PM
  #69  
Xbladr's Avatar
Thread Starter
Senior Member
Tenured Member 05 Years
 
Joined: May 2005
Posts: 639
Likes: 0
From: MA
That was a great analysis pele thank you.
Reply
Old Jul 13, 2005 | 08:16 PM
  #70  
camocarl's Avatar
-------------------
Tenured Member 15 Years
iTrader: (5)
 
Joined: Apr 2004
Posts: 1,798
Likes: 0
From: Raleigh
If you decide not to buy it let me know man. Im interested. Carl
Reply
Old Jul 13, 2005 | 08:30 PM
  #71  
Hades12's Avatar
Burning Oil-Grinding 3rd
Tenured Member 10 Years
 
Joined: Apr 2002
Posts: 4,094
Likes: 1
From: Union Mills NC
With the Wide wheels on the rear and the kit, It is well worth 2K even if you have to work on it some. Check for Rust in the normal places and then dont worry.
Reply
Old Jul 13, 2005 | 09:13 PM
  #72  
Xbladr's Avatar
Thread Starter
Senior Member
Tenured Member 05 Years
 
Joined: May 2005
Posts: 639
Likes: 0
From: MA
Yea i figured the wide body with a supposid new motor and wheels should be close to the asking price as is. Also does it look like there has been any suspension work or does it look fairly stock?
Reply
Old Jul 26, 2005 | 08:38 AM
  #73  
Xbladr's Avatar
Thread Starter
Senior Member
Tenured Member 05 Years
 
Joined: May 2005
Posts: 639
Likes: 0
From: MA
Well guys I was finally able to get some engine shots of the car. Please take a look and tell me what you think. I have no idea what I am looking for...








If you go to http://members.cardomain.com/xbladr and go on the 4th page you will see all the pictures of this car
Reply
Old Jul 26, 2005 | 09:23 AM
  #74  
Hades12's Avatar
Burning Oil-Grinding 3rd
Tenured Member 10 Years
 
Joined: Apr 2002
Posts: 4,094
Likes: 1
From: Union Mills NC
Dude, You worry like an old woman.

Does the Car start and run? No smoke? Feel good when you drive it?

Then buy the car.
Reply
Old Jul 26, 2005 | 09:27 AM
  #75  
Xbladr's Avatar
Thread Starter
Senior Member
Tenured Member 05 Years
 
Joined: May 2005
Posts: 639
Likes: 0
From: MA
Haha Hades... Look like I said before this is my first rotory I dont know **** about them. Also I can afford to keep repairing it im in friggen college. Money does not grow on trees for me and I need to be able to get to work consistently. But, anyways I was just asking if there is anything there you see that is either good or bad.

Thanks
Reply



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 11:19 PM.