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Old Nov 28, 2001 | 12:25 PM
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List 3 aftermarket parts that you can't get...

for our First Gen. Performance related or other-wise.

1. Carbon-fiber hoods. i recently came to want one bad after my shoddy hood scoop job. I know i can get a fiber-glass hood, but just not a carbon-fiber which would look awesome on an FB.

2. Brake kits. Like a bigger, slotted, drilled rotor would be awesome. Bigger calipers. mmmm....

3. Wheels!!! Our odd offset sucks ***, but if more and more manufacturers would custom drill, that'd be awesome.
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Old Nov 28, 2001 | 12:34 PM
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1.) Upgraded MAF sensor element... I'm not an expert, but I'm pretty sure that this is not anywhere near the best way of doing this, and more then likely the choke point on the airflow system...

2) Bolt on turbo/ supercharger system?

3) new cams No matter how hard I look I just can't find 'em for my car...
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Old Nov 28, 2001 | 12:36 PM
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Thumbs down uuhhh...cams??

eh?
i hope you are joking!
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Old Nov 28, 2001 | 01:31 PM
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Originally posted by rx7gslse
3) new cams No matter how hard I look I just can't find 'em for my car...

LOL
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Old Nov 28, 2001 | 01:52 PM
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You must be doing something wrong. I can find a wide assortment of cams for MY RX-7

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Old Nov 28, 2001 | 02:16 PM
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Yes I am joking... I'm really not stupid, just trying to be funny.

Seriously though.. I'd really love to see a MAF/AFM type upgrade from the stupid barn door...

Maybe be able to get some new crate engines direct instead of everyone scrounging for used parts...

On a side note: I think we definately win out on the availability of aftermarket suspension parts for a reasonable cost. I can't think of any other car that really has more options in that catagory, and that's what these cars were designed for in the beginning anyway... I know that's where my money is going first.
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Old Nov 28, 2001 | 03:46 PM
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1. Bolt in IRS or Coilover system for the rear.

2. Carbon fiber vented (No hood scoop) hood to let heat out.

3. Bolt in Rack & Pinion steering.
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Old Nov 28, 2001 | 03:48 PM
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The next bottle neck is the Throttlebody, so opening the AFM is only part of the battle, a complete 2nd gen intake swap would be needed to see any gains.
I got a writeup on the flow specs between 1st and 2nd Gen @
http://max7.rx-7.org/mods/mod-intake.htm

Originally posted by rx7gslse
1.) Upgraded MAF sensor element... I'm not an expert, but I'm pretty sure that this is not anywhere near the best way of doing this, and more then likely the choke point on the airflow system......
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Old Nov 28, 2001 | 07:59 PM
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I'm with Max7.

1) bolt in IRS
2)bolt in rack and pinion
3) kit to make T2 brakes bolt in (this also cures the hard to find rims problem)


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Old Nov 28, 2001 | 08:27 PM
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can't you take the whole suspension from a GSL-SE and with a little work, put it on any other 1st gen? Doesn't that turn it into 227mm front disc, 236mm rear disc? I don't know the stock numbers, but swapping the whole suspension from a GSL-SE would solve the bolt problem wouldn't it? Or am I just on crack?
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Old Nov 28, 2001 | 08:28 PM
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1. would be a 13bt turbo bolt in exhasut system for my car
2. definitly a vented hood, i like the fiberglass ones though
3.a 6 speed manual trans that will bolt right up.
4. a IRS setup also bolt in.
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Old Nov 28, 2001 | 08:43 PM
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Well, according to my local Schuks (aka checker/kregan) auto supply, they can get crane, and eidelbrock cams for my '84 GSL-SE

3 things I would like to see...
1) MAF upgrade, just to ditch that nasty flap system
2) bolt in IRS
3) a good looking front facia with working brake ducts (looks good to me)
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Old Nov 28, 2001 | 08:57 PM
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Originally posted by rx7gslse
3) new cams No matter how hard I look I just can't find 'em for my car...
Carparts.com used to stock cams. They still stock camshaft lube, a timing chain, and timing sprockets.

Maybe I'm weird, but use an 1985 GSL as the search criteria.
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Old Nov 28, 2001 | 09:17 PM
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1. You can get both cross drilled and slotted rotor brake upgrades for both the GSL and GSL-SE. Check with Rotary Performance out of Texas. Last I remember the kits were in the $600 range for front and rear including new pads.

2. As to rims the best option is to upgrade to the GSL-SE suspension - bolt in upgrade from stock. This opens up quite a large selection of rims.

3. Functional brake ducts can be had with at least 2 of the Mariah front air dams/spoilers.

The parts are out there just have to look for them. I agree that they aren't as easy to find for us 1st gen people as they are for the 2nd and 3rd gen folks but they are out there.
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Old Nov 28, 2001 | 09:42 PM
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kamal_mann is right, the parts are out there. I just wish they were easier to come by. Or cheaper.....but then, that is part of the character of our cars IMHO. If we wanted it easy we would be driving hondas.

As in anything, if you got enough money, anything is possible. Even bolt in Rack&pinion and IRS.......In fact, if you shell out the developmental $costs$, we would probably all buy this stuff from you..........

Hmmmmmmm..............anyone here play the lottery?
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Old Nov 28, 2001 | 10:28 PM
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Old Nov 29, 2001 | 02:35 AM
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- High compression rotors (we can do much better than 9.4:1)
- Aluminum water pump/housing (the stock one weighs a TON!!!)
- Clutch scattershield (not sure on this one, seen it done but wasn't pretty)

There other things that would be nice but aren't really necessary for them to be made by the aftermarket... like oil cooler relocation kits (very vulnerable position IMO, but can be done with -SE or FC stuff) or an alternator relocation kit (put it down where the A/C goes, for more belt wrap around the water pump pulley for after you remove the air pump) or a PMDIDFIS (Pre-Made Dual Ignitor Direct Fire Ignition System)
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Old Nov 29, 2001 | 07:03 AM
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Maybe I'm missing the point of it being a sports car but i would like to have rear seats. I know they are out there, but they dont come by that easily.
As far as the turbo is concerned, if you get a webber or dellorto IDA or IDLF, whatever they are, you can buy the parts to make install a turbo on it. I think fast freddies and cb performance have all necessary parts to bolt on a turbo.

As for things that might seem necessary;
IRS kit with coil overs
Intake up grade
and higher compression rotors(can you just replace the rotors with 89 - 91 rotors??)
traction control(i miss my celica when it rains)
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Old Nov 29, 2001 | 11:02 AM
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Your not "suppose" to mix 85 and under with 86 and over housings and rotors due to slight changes in the sizes, whichmay allow rotor to housing contact, OUCH

4 seats? eeew. hehe and a FI turbo conversion would seem to be the more reliable conversion over the carb one.
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Old Nov 29, 2001 | 11:26 AM
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Originally posted by kamal_mann
1. You can get both cross drilled and slotted rotor brake upgrades for both the GSL and GSL-SE. Check with Rotary Performance out of Texas. Last I remember the kits were in the $600 range for front and rear including new pads.
Think what we want would be a much bigger braking kit for those of us planning a T2 swap where a 250+hp 1st gen might need a little extra stoping power.
You can get brembo slotted from http://www.carbotecheng.com/ for $70 a piece.


Originally posted by yayarx7
1. As in anything, if you got enough money, anything is possible. Even bolt in Rack&pinion and IRS.......In fact, if you shell out the developmental $costs$, we would probably all buy this stuff from you..........

Hmmmmmmm..............anyone here play the lottery?
You can already get bolt in IRS from http://www.moslerauto.com/cvweb/html/products.htm
I just don't want to pay $4900.00 for it.

Yes i play the lotto.

I'd also like to see an electric water pump.

Mike

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Old Nov 29, 2001 | 01:09 PM
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I can't get anything for my car, I don't even have enough money to put new plug wires in.... :p...
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Old Nov 29, 2001 | 03:45 PM
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I'd also like to see an electric water pump.

Mike
These guys make a universal fit electric water pump. Heaps of other cool products on there as well. I'm using their electric fans on my car.Davies Craig
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Old Nov 29, 2001 | 10:41 PM
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Actually,
I think we should count ourselves lucky. Name another 22 year old car that has the availability of parts as our first gens. Parts for my 92 Probe have been discontinued by Ford (yes, I know I can use MX6 parts), and it is only ten years old.

But..............I should would love a rack and pinion.

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Old Nov 30, 2001 | 12:07 AM
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I'd also like to see an electric water pump.
in the import cat. from summit racing they have a elct water pump for 3rd gens.
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Old Nov 30, 2001 | 12:10 AM
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Well, to answer this statement below, alot of awsome but older cars are easy to get parts for still. That is why we can still get parts for the first gens. They are awsome!
As far as the probe goes....... I'm sorry, but they suck.


I would like to see a direct drop in 3 rotor turbo for my GSL-SE.



[QUOTE]Originally posted by hanman
[B]Actually,
I think we should count ourselves lucky. Name another 22 year old car that has the availability of parts as our first gens. Parts for my 92 Probe have been discontinued by Ford (yes, I know I can use MX6 parts), and it is only ten years old.
But..............I should would love a rack and pinion.
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