leif

the corvette needs to move into the 21st century...they have tried to do it many times...and i recognise that it is difficult when you have a cult following but porsche has done a great job with the 911...another icon.

and the jag and TVR have great interiors...especialy the TVR...so cool...and you can buy those in the states under the new "show and display" laws...

kleinke

Perhaps it is that age-old stigma (I cannot say if it is true) about corvette drivers lacking in the masculine endowments department.

RotaryAXer

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Leif,

When was the last time you were anywhere near a Corvette?

Have you ever driven any car on your "list"?

Have you ever driven any C5 or C6 Corvette?

What the heck are you talking about?

You don't know what you are talking about. The C5 was so much better than the C4 in so many ways that it really is a shame that people like you gave up on Chevy. Now the C6 is out and it again is so much better than the C5.

The Corvette is truly a world class performer at half the price. I don't know why people don't get it.

The styling may not be much change but it still is a damn good looking car. Anyways if you ever drove one the looks would matter much less to you.

The REAR SUSPENSION IS INDEPENDENT!!!!! Just because it uses leaf springs doesn't mean is isn't an IRS. The leafs are not anything like what have seen.

The reason they use them is for packaging. They are much flatter and fit into a much smaller space than a coil. They are also lighter.

You are wrong.

cosmicbang

Ultima Can-Am or GTR

leif

I have driven some of the cars on my list...and im not saying that the vette' isnt a good car, but frankly it is not "world class" and chevy has not brought it into the 21st century...they have left it firmly in the 80s...the C6 may be an improvement...but who cares if it is an improvement if it is still left behind...if a 13 year old graduates from grade one into grade 2...he is still behind where he should be!

And the IRS comment was a slag against the mustang...

and i will admit the Z06 was a world performer...i considerd buying one...1.1G on the skid pad is no slouch...but it is still built with poor quality...I ask you when is the last time you saw a C5...The panel gap is ****...truly and utterly...even comepared to the cheapest honda...the inside coiuld be from a cav or a malibu...i saw a C5 up close last week...and they were stiull **** then...and i dont expect the build quality to be any better on the C6...and from what i have heard from peopel i trust...it isnt!

RotaryAXer

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Well again have you driven a C5 or C6?

I think you are mistaken about the 80s comment. If all you are looking at is panel gaps then yeah maybe. Fiberglass has its drawbacks. Is that really what makes a car great?

Performance, reliabilty, cost are the 3 main characteristics I look at.

You seem to look at Panel gaps, reliability/dealer service, then performance.

Most people are Cost, performance then reliabilty.

I think you are missing out on a great car.

Directfreak

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I have driven a C-5, and and a modified Z06.
Both were bad-***.

I am interested in the NEW Z06.
500rwhp - stock.
500rwtq - stock.
over 1 g on the skidpad - stock.
Air conditioning, cruise control, power steering, ABS, Traction control, a great stereo.
All Stock.

Even the 911 Turbo has to have its "A" game to run against one.

Oh, and just like the Cavelier comment, it's just as cheap to fix - under WARRANTY.
It costs the same 35 bux an hour to fix a vette at the dealer, as it does the Cavelier.

Also, an old stock Z06 + a 5K Procharger system = 10's in the quarter mile, with
daily driver funtionality.

This is not even getting into a modded Z06.
It may not be your cup of tea, but the Z06 is the yardstick by which all other performance vehicles are compared to.

And at half the price.

lovintha7

Most Ford's use that exact rear end. 8.8 in The F150, LD F250, Crown Vic, Grand Marquis, Econline E150, Expeditions, Mountaineer, Aviator, Navigator, Explorers (Not sport trac, that's IDRS), Marauder, And yes, the Mustang, it has for quite some time actually. And all the Cobra is, is the 8.8 in rear end, minus the axle tubes, and axles with cv joints.

Speedfreaks101

This rear end is a three link with a PHR unlike the typical Mustang in which it uses a four link.

leif

ok...panel gap...it is a sign of quality...dont scoff cuz it is. if some guy spent all of that time making sure that each panel is 1mm from evry other panel...you know you have a well built car that someone is proud of...and cuz its FB is no excuse...a TVR fits togetheer like a rols royce...

im not saying the C5or C6 is a bad car...its just based on a very old chasis...and in a straight line it is fast, but it looses that speed in the real world...IE around a corner...and no i have never driven in a C5 but i have seen them from 1 inch away.

82SilverRX7

I think sometimes jealousy gets the better of some people. I've driven a ZO6 and it was ballsy and took corners pretty well. LOL just don't tell my boss that

Kentetsu

My buddy just picked up the new Subaru STI last month. I never would have believed that a car can do the things that it does. I've been able to drive it a few times on some of the twistys and it just blows my mind every time. To me, that is the car I will compare all others to (for now). Gonna be tough keeping up with him in my little GS!

RotaryAXer

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Find an inexpensive reliable service department for your TVR. Isn't every TVR hand built? How much does a TVR actually cost. Go to a dealer (there aren't any in Northern America) and see how much it would cost to drive one off the lot.

The Vette is readily available, Dealer servicable and 100% legal to drive in the US and Canada.

A used Cerbera in the UK is about 30,000 pounds => about $54,000 US. After you import it and get it ready to drive over here it will be about $70,000 or more.

What gives you the notion that the chassis is old on the C5? The entire car was designed from the ground up for 1997. The C6 shares only like 10% of its parts with the C5 and none of those are chassis or drivetrain components.

A C5 can't take corners? NOW your smoking.

A bone stock 97 C5 can pull about 0.93 gs on the skidpad.

What car does extremely well in every class it is eligable for in every form of SCCA racing? Club, Solo II, Pro.

You don't know what you are missing. The Vette is true sports car. It can turn as good as any car you have ever seen. It can out accelerate everything but cars that cost twice as much. It is cheap to maintain yet reliable and they even look pretty dang good.

If you are concerned about quality then I think you notion that a hand built car from the UK being better in quality is pretty much off base. What kind of warranty does the TVR come with? I can't find data anywhere on the net. I'm not saying the length of the warranty has anything to do with quality but when something does break which manufacturer will stand behind the car and get it fixed?

SlowmoSU

i thought this was a thread about a rear axle ?

IF you are interested in a new ford 8.8
I can sell you a Ford 8.8 with a locker and gears of your choice, with Disc Brakes for $500

With no Wait. !!!!!!

Feds

What about 1.0g's makes the corvette unable to corner?

It's got great weight distibution with the rear mounted transaxle (a al Ferrari), and I seem to remember the race versions winning a lot of road races.

Again: FAST (fore, aft and lateraly), cheap, reliable, good looking. What is not to like?

joeracer

A CORVETTE?!?! Bwaaahaaaahaaaahaaaa

Directfreak

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If you can get it to me for 500 shipped to 33186 - I am buying.

Directfreak

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BUMP

peejay

Hell-LOO!!!!!!!!!

Is this not what I have been SAYING for EONS??

Solid axles RULE THE ROOST when you absolutely, positively need to put the power down.

IRS is for weenie things like interior space and ride comfort.

peejay

Pulling G's has nothing to do with handling. Any butthole with gummy tires, or big tires, or big gummy tires, can pull over 1g.

"Like a Ferrari"? GM was using transaxles LOOOOONG before Ferrari ever did. I suppose you've never heard of the Pontiac Tempest. The four cylinder one ("half a 389") from the early 60's. It was basically a Corvair with an engine mounted in the front, with a driveshaft connecting the engine to the transaxle. Clutch was mounted on the rearwards face of the tranny. Yes it was goofy.

I believe the 924 and 928 predate rear-trannied, front-engined Ferraris by a good number of years as well.

Why is GM using a rear transaxle on the C5/C6? Interior room. That's why.

If weight distribution was the prime concern, just shift the wheelbase forwards or backwards, and problem solved. Unfortuately weight distribution doesn't mean very much in the real world. (In any even there have been plenty of front-engine, front-transmission, rear-biased cars out there)

Let me repeat. SOLID AXLES RULE WHEN YOU ABSOLUTELY, POSITIVELY MUST PUT THE POWER DOWN. Look up a little concept called "anti-squat" and note how that it is *physically* *impossible* to achieve with an IRS.

Manntis

Those Nobels and TVRs are so cool. Snap-on interior trim that snaps right off again, full fibreglass construction that allows easy extraction of mangled corpse after a collision...

Manntis

Chapman strut IRS do pretty well

Solids do put the power down for takeoff, IRS allows better cornering - both very general statements (but generally true)

peejay

Cornering is never steady state when you're hustling. You're either braking in, or accelerating out.

Anti-squat allows a solid axle car to power out sooner than an IRS.

kenn_chan

I don't hang out on the 1st gen boards as I don't own one at this time, but..... I just couldn't help but laugh at this one.

PeeJay's right about the axle, and the squatting problems of an IRS. I have been working to solve this problem for about 5 years with my cosmo, 450 ponies to the ground and the body rolls like a stuck pig, it squats on any high powered takeoff till the tires rub, or if you change the springs, and struts the *** end sits in the sky.

as for the whole corvette thing like Joe Racer said A CORVETTE?!?!

Bwaaahaaaahaaaahaaaa