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Old 10-26-02, 06:59 PM
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how much would a 3rotor cost

how much would it cost to get a 3 rotor and put everything needed to make her run into a 1st gen?
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Close to 10k
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Originally posted by MIKE-P-28
Close to 10k
To do it right, at least 10k.
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You could do it right for around 5-6 k. The motor would not be new but would have low milage. Go for it!
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You could do it right for around 5-6 k. The motor would not be new but would have low milage. Go for it!
Motor is 4k with shipping, and what you propose you are gonan run the FI with? Theres 1500, oh and your gonna need new exhaust, muffler theres another 400 or so.. Oh and your need the stronger 13bt trans, theres 300 or so... You get the point, it goes on and on...
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Originally posted by MIKE-P-28
Motor is 4k with shipping, and what you propose you are gonan run the FI with? Theres 1500, oh and your gonna need new exhaust, muffler theres another 400 or so.. Oh and your need the stronger 13bt trans, theres 300 or so... You get the point, it goes on and on...
Hehehe, yes, I get the point, and it DOES go on and on. My 20B FC project is at $36,000 and counting, and it doesn't even run yet. BTW, shipping on my 20B was about $300.

$10K is about right for a basic swap if you do most of the work and fabrication yourself. Of course, then your tires will spin, so you need competition suspension and the bigger wheels/tires and appropriate wide body kit, and then you need to re-paint the car because of the wide body kit, and then you will go too fast and need a big brake kit to slow down, and then... $$$
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evil is right, bargin basement swaps with used motors are about 10k usd, a new 20b alone is $7500.
i was thinking about getting an imsa flare kit and tossing the 20b into a first gen just yesterday though

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I agree with Evil Aviator. I am at well over 13 on my swap (13B-RE) - but doing it oh so right.., and sparing no expense. Hands dows I want the baddest streetable, daily driven capable, FB in the states (Not necessarily the fastest). That includes all the Go and Show options to me.

Between the final tuning, widebody, rims and tires, I will be close to 20 when finished.

Oh well. My choice right?

I could have done a Blow-Through Turbo for less than 3.
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Ch-yeah, but your car is soooo ******' cool Direct!!! After seeing your car I wanna spare-no-expense and build the best damn amusemen...i mean, cosmo swap ever!
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Originally posted by j9fd3s
evil is right, bargin basement swaps with used motors are about 10k usd, a new 20b alone is $7500.
i was thinking about getting an imsa flare kit and tossing the 20b into a first gen just yesterday though

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A new race 20B was $42,000 the last time I checked. I thought that the road versions were out of production. Where can you get a new JC Cosmo 20B?

You will also need a flare kit on the FC if you want to take full advantage of the 20B. The 20B FB would be cool, though, since it's going to be about 200lbs lighter, and I really like the FB GTO & GTU kits. I'm planning on getting zero traction on my FC until I get the IMSA kit. At least I should do well in the next Nopi burnout contest, LOL.
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Originally posted by Evil Aviator

A new race 20B was $42,000 the last time I checked. I thought that the road versions were out of production. Where can you get a new JC Cosmo 20B?

You will also need a flare kit on the FC if you want to take full advantage of the 20B. The 20B FB would be cool, though, since it's going to be about 200lbs lighter, and I really like the FB GTO & GTU kits. I'm planning on getting zero traction on my FC until I get the IMSA kit. At least I should do well in the next Nopi burnout contest, LOL.
Yeah Im finding out that the motor/turbo/ECU and all taht is not even 1/2 the battle... I need better suspension,brakes, more tires, and the body kit.. Well Im at almost 10k now Guys thats twice my orgnial basic swap budget of 5k LOL What a joke that was!

@Evil --- I dunno about a 20b, never driven one, but I do know that with my cosmo 13b turbo , its like driving on ice LOL Its fun tho... God Im gonna miss the cheap price of a 13 inch tire tho
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Originally posted by MIKE-P-28


Yeah Im finding out that the motor/turbo/ECU and all taht is not even 1/2 the battle... I need better suspension,brakes, more tires, and the body kit.. Well Im at almost 10k now Guys thats twice my orgnial basic swap budget of 5k LOL What a joke that was!

@Evil --- I dunno about a 20b, never driven one, but I do know that with my cosmo 13b turbo , its like driving on ice LOL Its fun tho... God Im gonna miss the cheap price of a 13 inch tire tho
LOL, my budget was $10K, then $15K, then $24K, but now I've given up on a budget. I'm thinking about running 4psi boost and retarding the timing just so I can drive it around without forking out the additional $20K that I need for the remainder of the drivetrain. I wanted something that would compete with a Ferrari F40, and now I'm wondering if it would have been easier and cheaper to buy the Ferrari, LOL.

Yeah, my car had 13's on it, too - $65 per VR tire back in the day, woot! Considering that a stock 20B-REW made its peak torque at only 3000rpm, and maintained 90% of this torque to redline, I'm not expecting much traction with any tires that fit in the stock wheel well.
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^ Oops, typo - my orignal wheels were 14".
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Re: how much would a 3rotor cost

Originally posted by LilFatCrazyWop
how much would it cost to get a 3 rotor and put everything needed to make her run into a 1st gen?
As I have told other people who are thinking of doing a 20B swap, your best bet is to buy my car. I can take yours as a trade-in, if that's an issue. See www.cris.com/~Asam/20B.html and e-mail me, if you're interested.
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Re: Re: how much would a 3rotor cost

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As I have told other people who are thinking of doing a 20B swap, your best bet is to buy my car. I can take yours as a trade-in, if that's an issue. See www.cris.com/~Asam/20B.html and e-mail me, if you're interested.
I hate you. You know that George?
Again, this is what I want after completing my current project.









It's a Beaut.
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Re: Re: Re: how much would a 3rotor cost

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I hate you. You know that George?
I know that.

Again, this is what I want after completing my current project.


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Thanks. Envy is the sincerest form of flattery.

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Originally posted by Evil Aviator

A new race 20B was $42,000 the last time I checked. I thought that the road versions were out of production. Where can you get a new JC Cosmo 20B?

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when i was still working at the dealership i typed in the magic number NF01-02-200, and it works, it has a price and everything. so that means 2 things
1. they are available
2. somebody ordered one, they dont make the number work unless its ordered
to order yours call mazdacomp, at 1-800-435-2508

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Originally posted by Evil Aviator

A new race 20B was $42,000 the last time I checked. I thought that the road versions were out of production. Where can you get a new JC Cosmo 20B?

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At the Fall, 2001 MADS/Rotary Expo, I was talking with Roger Mandeville. He said that Mazda had asked him to come up with a cheaper alternative to the 3-rotor race motor. (I think that's the 13G.)

IIRC, he said they used 13B-rew housings and 1991, high-compression rotors to create a motor that, in enduro race trim, would produce 550 hp at 9000 rpm. The cost was $28,000. At the time, I thought that was high, but, compared to the $42,000 you quoted, it's a bargain.
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Kurgan is swapping a 20B into an FC, and he's already 12-14k into the swap alone.... that doesn't include susp., brakes, etc. That's for the engine, Haltech, and all the custom nickel and dime **** that had to be made.


He can probably tell you better than I can though...
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I know someone who has a complete 3 rotor for sale, with ecu/transmition. PM me for details. CJ
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