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Old Jul 8, 2010 | 08:04 PM
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GA Holley 465 rebuild=fail!

Long story short, i tried to rebuild my carb.I go it all back together and turned the key to fill the bowels and adjust them. After that i turned the key again and the secondaries would fill up with gas and i would get no fuel coming out of the primary squirters. Does anyone have an idea what went wrong? I am in dire need of help, and yes i did use the search feature.
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Old Jul 8, 2010 | 08:08 PM
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Tap the top of the carb a few times. Mine did the secondaries flooding thing, needles were stuck open.
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Old Jul 8, 2010 | 08:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Jeezus
Tap the top of the carb a few times. Mine did the secondaries flooding thing, needles were stuck open.
I will try that after work tomorrow.What about the no gas coming out of the nozzels? Can i have put something together wrong? There is not much to get wrong, but i guess there is, lol. Could it have anything to do with part that has the secondary metering plate? Could i have used a wrong gasket?
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Old Jul 9, 2010 | 06:30 PM
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verify that ur getting fuel into the primary bowl. then u'll have to work the throttle a couple times to get the air out of the accellerator pump passage.
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Old Jul 11, 2010 | 09:00 AM
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verify that ur getting fuel into the primary bowl. then u'll have to work the throttle a couple times to get the air out of the accellerator pump passage.
I am still having issues.When i use the throttle"gas pedal", i have noting.If i push on the accelerator pump itself, gas wants to shoot out of the nozzel. I have no clue
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Old Jul 11, 2010 | 11:55 AM
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I am still having issues.When i use the throttle"gas pedal", i have noting.If i push on the accelerator pump itself, gas wants to shoot out of the nozzel. I have no clue
http://www.youtube.com/watch?http://...wv=BfYU_r51yOI i have no clue
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Old Jul 11, 2010 | 11:55 AM
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[QUOTE=vj226966;10104186]http://www.youtube.com/watch?http://...wv=BfYU_r51yOI i have no clue[
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Old Jul 11, 2010 | 11:58 AM
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was it working properly before you rebuilt it?
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Old Jul 11, 2010 | 12:37 PM
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was it working properly before you rebuilt it?
yes and no. Before the rebuild,it ran but it started sputtering, and falling flat at crusing speed.You would give it gas and it would sputter.if the car was at idle, it would run, once you started giving it gas you would see the stream of gas stutter.it sounded like the car was either flooding or starving for fuel.i went out and bought a holley red fuel pump and that did not solve the problem. so i figured a rebuild was in order.there is really not much parts that i could get wrong, its mostly gaskets and such.if anyone has any ideas big or small please give me your thoughts.
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Ok, so what size squirter are you using? Is this a racing beat 465 Holley setup or an off the shelf Holley? From your video; I would check to see if the float level is high enough by removing the aluminum adaptor for the oil line from the side of the float bowl. Also make sure the accelerator pump diaphragm is in the correct way...

Then I would remove the squirter and make sure the plunger is in there. check the squirter number when u remove it too. Depending on where you got the carb from; they used different shaped plungers. The racing beat ones used a ball bearing and cylindrical needle point plunger. The ones off the shelf used a ball bearing with a square/ rectangular plunger.
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Old Jul 11, 2010 | 01:11 PM
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Originally Posted by RXnos1200
Ok, so what size squirter are you using? Is this a racing beat 465 Holley setup or an off the shelf Holley? From your video; I would check to see if the float level is high enough by removing the aluminum adaptor for the oil line from the side of the float bowl. Also make sure the accelerator pump diaphragm is in the correct way...

Then I would remove the squirter and make sure the plunger is in there. check the squirter number when u remove it too. Depending on where you got the carb from; they used different shaped plungers. The racing beat ones used a ball bearing and cylindrical needle point plunger. The ones off the shelf used a ball bearing with a square/ rectangular plunger.
when i took the carb apart for the first time, it did not have a ball bearing. i called racing beat to verify this and he said they dont use a ball bearing. there is a needle where the squirter is. i beleive the number on the nozzel is 49. just to be specific i bought the car in dec of 09, tagged it lat feb and drove it all the time.it ran pretty darn good at times. it just now started acting up. i did the cap,plugs,rotor deal. i was running the stock fuel pump so i knew i needed more so i bought the holley.something this simple shouldnt be so hard. i thank you much for trying to help me.
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Old Jul 11, 2010 | 01:24 PM
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49 is huge....I use a 25 with my streetported 13B....

It should be pretty easy but things happen. If float level, squirter size, plunger are correct then I'd look into the accelerator cam. I like using the orange one instead of the white one.
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Old Jul 11, 2010 | 01:26 PM
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Originally Posted by RXnos1200
49 is huge....I use a 25 with my streetported 13B....

It should be pretty easy but things happen. If float level, squirter size, plunger are correct then I'd look into the accelerator cam. I like using the orange one instead of the white one.
let me pull it apart and post pics.
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Old Jul 11, 2010 | 01:30 PM
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sorry i had the number wrong its a 25 i thought they were matched to color and number
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you ever check compression on the motor? that would cause the car to flat on it's face when trying to accelerate
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cap off the vaccum to the primary metering block......
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Old Jul 12, 2010 | 08:15 PM
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well for the ones that are watching this thread i have made progress. the issue now is my motor is flooded, so i took out the plugs and let it crank, but it seems that the gas will not go away.the other problem is i have gas slowly , very slowly dripping in the secondaries. i will try to make a vid if anyone has any input and could help. thanks in advance.
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Old Jul 13, 2010 | 01:01 AM
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get a fuel pressure regulator and a guage to make sure the Holley pump isn;t over powering the needle and seats to the float bowl......
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Originally Posted by vj226966
well for the ones that are watching this thread i have made progress. the issue now is my motor is flooded, so i took out the plugs and let it crank, but it seems that the gas will not go away.the other problem is i have gas slowly , very slowly dripping in the secondaries. i will try to make a vid if anyone has any input and could help. thanks in advance.
Mine did this when the fuel pressure was acting up. Like someone else said, the fuel pressure will fill the bowls and force past the needle and drip into the secondary venturies. I would pull the float plug and gas would stream out. After I fought with it for a while (I have a regulator, but it was acting up), I got mine de-flooded by pulling the float plugs and letting those drain to the proper level, killing the fuel pump, pulling the plugs and cranking it for a while. Then I got it fired off just the fuel in the bowl, reconnected the fuel pump, and she started right up.

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Originally Posted by RotorMotorDriver
Mine did this when the fuel pressure was acting up. Like someone else said, the fuel pressure will fill the bowls and force past the needle and drip into the secondary venturies. I would pull the float plug and gas would stream out. After I fought with it for a while (I have a regulator, but it was acting up), I got mine de-flooded by pulling the float plugs and letting those drain to the proper level, killing the fuel pump, pulling the plugs and cranking it for a while. Then I got it fired off just the fuel in the bowl, reconnected the fuel pump, and she started right up.

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you are a god sent. i will try this shortly.
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Old Jul 13, 2010 | 06:42 PM
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Originally Posted by RotorMotorDriver
Mine did this when the fuel pressure was acting up. Like someone else said, the fuel pressure will fill the bowls and force past the needle and drip into the secondary venturies. I would pull the float plug and gas would stream out. After I fought with it for a while (I have a regulator, but it was acting up), I got mine de-flooded by pulling the float plugs and letting those drain to the proper level, killing the fuel pump, pulling the plugs and cranking it for a while. Then I got it fired off just the fuel in the bowl, reconnected the fuel pump, and she started right up.

~T.J.
i tried what you told me and it about started.i took the regulator apart and realy couldnt find anything wrong, but my new mr. gasket gauge only wants to read 4 psi.also it seems to flood the engine fast, so this must mean the reg does not work i guess. i will get a new reg and gauge and try that, thanks again
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get the gauge from respeed.
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Old Jul 15, 2010 | 05:48 AM
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Originally Posted by thunkrd
get the gauge from respeed.
i think this whole carb rebuild was a waste. it is leaning more towards a blown motor some guys say yes it sounds like a apex seal others say no i have no clue
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