RRTEC

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1985 GSL-SE "Mr.HAnkey"

2nd gen 6port 13B
Early model Header
True cold air intake
Hks intake filter and adapter
T2 injectors (if it would help)
hollowed out Cat
8mm wires
Direct fire ignition
Electric Fan- (lets not debate)
Ebay Twin tip Muffler....

Other mods that don't pertiain to power.

Thanks for any guestimates, just trying to get a balpark idea.

1985_RX-7

1hp... Guess mine, stock FC Turbo, inter, someother crap, i guess for mine 180-240

Fire85GSLSE

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If your able to run the s4 ecu and all 4 injectors, with those mods I would say 180-190hp.

Hyper4mance2k

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s4 125-135 to the wheels s5 130-140 to the wheels...

evil_motors

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why is there like 40 threads about guessing HP.. hp means nothing.. torque is what you feel not horsepower.. so really you should ask how much torque should you have.. sorry being a mechanic that really buggs me when people are so obsessed with HP..

1985_RX-7

^^I own a wrecker and it has like 110 hp but around 500ft lbs of turque, rather funny but strong.

evil_motors

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yeah see.. the best thing is to have the torque and hp as close to eachother as possible...

remember horsepower is how fast you hit the tree... tourque is how far the tree goes after you hit it.. lol

1985_RX-7

Yep agreed... I loaded some old heavy as hell truck to Houst at a steady 85mph...

RRTEC

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Hp is fun to know.... I plan on dyno tunign the car next time a cheap session becomes available... IT is just for my own personal knowlage... I always liked telling people man I just toasted your mustang with my 105hp GSL..lol

evil_motors

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but hp is relative ... i could toast anyone with 100hp if i had a light enough car.. what you should really find out is track times.. or 1/4 mile times.. those are much more impressive to people who know alot about cars.. but then again if you talk more to people who have no clue about cars then yes a HP number is a useful tool

Directfreak

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No Porting, No 6 Port Actuators?

130 to the wheels.

Feds

Being an engineer it bothers me how ignorant people are to this. Torque means nothing. It does not imply movement. Take your longest wrench, weld it to an I-beam at a 90° angle, and hang from it. You are creating tonnes of torque (upwards of 200 ft-lbs) but nothing is moving. Torque is not important.

You feel acceleration. Acceleration is a rate of change of velocity with respect to time. Change in velocity = change in energy, change in energy/time = POWER.

RRTEC

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Debates are fun. Geez... I was just asking a question, now i am labled an idiot..weird.

I care about hp, torque ect..man what a moron!! How do I live with myself......it's hard i tell ya.

evil_motors

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i wasnt calling you a moron.. i like you.. you make some good posts.. our cars arent meant for hp and torque.. we are meant to twist and turn.. its kinda like hondas talking about hp.. if you want to talk about hp buy a muscle car..
And just to be the dick i am.. here is the defintition of torque..
Main Entry: 2torque
Function: noun
Etymology: Latin torquEre to twist
1 : a force that produces or tends to produce rotation or torsion <an automobile engine delivers torque to the drive shaft>; also : a measure of the effectiveness of such a force that consists of the product of the force and the perpendicular distance from the line of action of the force to the axis of rotation
2 : a turning or twisting force

so... torque is movement.. so hanging from a bar that is welded to something isnt movement.. youre not creating anything.. youre hanging from a bar..

Fire85GSLSE

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There you go again! Man I can't take you anywhere! Go back to your room!
Just wait till we get the dyno time. That will tell you it all.

Rx-7Doctor

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My fellow 1st geners. You guys crack me up. I love to see these debates.
Well, lets see. Early model header just changes the torque curve because of tube size but still adds Hp. True CAI system, Hopefully you relocate the Air intake sensor to the piping. Bet you didn't think of that. Maybe 2-5 hp, questionable.
T2 injectors, no help unless controlled my standalone or Mega squirt.
Hollowed out cat, questionable. You gain more Hp by a balanced Exhaust system with the
correct backpressure. Remember total flow does not always = greater HP.
Wires. Dis system, better spark so better useable HP.
Electric fan, freeing up of useable Hp, Feels like making more hp but not, just applied more effectively. E-bay muffler, not even going there,lol.
I would say that 125-130 at the wheel. And remember guys, our cars do not make torque. What we lack in torque we make up in RPM"S.
We count on how we can free up Hp. Because we do not have a valve train with valves or pistons dragging on the motor, our Hp is used more effectively. Freeing up that Hp by installing a electric fan. Installing a lightened steel flywheel, etc. This allows our useable HP
to be used in an efficent manner.
You can have a ton of Hp, but if it is not effectively applied to the wheels than it is not good useable HP.

Pen_Two

ArmySoldier

LoL THAT is NO lie! Im a Diesel Technician and Torque is 1/2 of everything, yes HP is important but the 2 are synonymous.

(let's see that reference...Main Entry: syn·on·y·mous
Pronunciation: -m&s
Function: adjective
1 : having the character of a synonym; also : alike in meaning or significance

I have a street ported 83FB, less than 2000 miles on the clock (brand new engine)
No cat or emissions crap, stock 4 bbl but the TORQUE is awesome!
When I want to go real fast, I feed the squirrel under my hood, cheese.

Pen_Two

You spoil that animal. I just give it whatever I find in the front lawn.

Rx-7Doctor

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I find this interesting. A street ported engine lacks on the bottom end and makes up as the rpm's gain. It's real gain is at the top end , not the bottom.
I think you are mistaking the engine making Hp at higher ends with the statement of having torque.
A street ported Fb, assuming this is a 12a because of the statement of having the stock 4bbl.
Without having a adequate header system, which you may have with a non-modified stock 4bbl nikki does not add much Hp or torque. If it has the stock exhaust manifold and the stock 4bbl the gain is minimal. Maybe you are used to driving a geo Just messing with you.

stilettoman

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" And remember guys, our cars do not make torque. What we lack in torque we make up in RPM"S. "

Come on, man you are living in the past. You must still have one of those wimpy, old fashioned rotary things in your car. I got so much torque I can hardly drive mine in the rain, and I am only getting 250 HP to the wheels. The bad news is I only get 18-19 miles per gallon.

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Rx-7Doctor

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You don't own a rx7. You have a hybrid
And to boot a Ford engine, man that's really asking for driveability issues

Todd Staples

While we are on the subject, what would be the estimated HP on an 85 GS with a SP 12a with RB intake and headers, presilencer and Magnaflow muffler, 600 Edelbrock, no A/C, stock ignition, 15" wheels. I just rebuilt the engine, so it's only got about 1K miles on it and am sure it will get stronger as it gets broke in.
Thanks,
Todd

RRTEC

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^^ Probably in the 120HP range^^^ maybe 130hp. You can probalbly hang with a stock gsl-se now. The 600 is way overkill for a 12A anyways.. I had one on a massive SP'd 12A and it actually killed my acceleration.

Rx-7Doctor

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I'd guesstimate around 135-140.
Now change that edelbrock to a mikuni 44phh side draft and your looking at around
150-160. A stock 12a with a mikuni 44phh dynos at 142hp.