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Old Jan 14, 2012 | 01:16 PM
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Grey Sludge

Other day I pull the dipstick to find grey thick sludge covering the top portion right up to the rubber seal.

So I pull off the oil fill cap and see more thick grey sludge coating the neck and further down. as well as water droplets.. The hose from filler neck to air breather was also full of grey sludge and water.

What I don't have is any other tell tale signs such as white smoke or the sweet smell of burning coolant..

Car runs and drives fine (other than a slipping clutch) and only smoke I have is the nice light blue from running a premixed car..

Now I only picked this car up a week ago so don't know much about it (I have previously owned 6 rx-7's)


So, what the hell?
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Old Jan 14, 2012 | 01:22 PM
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usually if it is a milky color you got water into your engine.. The color is from the mixture of the oil and water.. I believe it is time for a rebuild
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Old Jan 14, 2012 | 01:51 PM
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The purge valve may not be hooked up or functioning properly so that water vapors aren't being drawn out of the engine when it heats ups.

Check to see if all three tubes to the purge valve are hooked up properly and not leaking.

If they're OK you may want to take the purge valve out and test it - you should be able to blow into the tubes, with one serving as a pressure valve to open flow to the other two.

If not clean it out with warm soaping water, rinse really well, blow out the residual water and recheck - they usually come back to life.

When the purge valve is functioning properly it will draw water vapor and other nasty vapors out of the engine and send them to the base of the carb to be combusted.

Good for your engine, good for the environment.
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Old Jan 14, 2012 | 01:53 PM
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Sounds like your due for a good drain and flush. I'm not sure whay may be the culprit. but fine grains of alumunium suspended in oil may tend to turn into grey sludge.
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Old Jan 14, 2012 | 02:41 PM
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when the oil doesn't have time to get hot, it collects enough water to make enough steam to make the goop. either drive more or change the oil more....
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Old Jan 14, 2012 | 04:59 PM
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Originally Posted by ArmAnirx7
usually if it is a milky color you got water into your engine.. The color is from the mixture of the oil and water.. I believe it is time for a rebuild
Duh comes to mind... Thanks for trying anyways.

Ps. Engine was rebuilt 62,000 Kms ago...
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Old Jan 14, 2012 | 05:02 PM
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Originally Posted by ray green
The purge valve may not be hooked up or functioning properly so that water vapors aren't being drawn out of the engine when it heats ups.

Check to see if all three tubes to the purge valve are hooked up properly and not leaking.

If they're OK you may want to take the purge valve out and test it - you should be able to blow into the tubes, with one serving as a pressure valve to open flow to the other two.

If not clean it out with warm soaping water, rinse really well, blow out the residual water and recheck - they usually come back to life.

When the purge valve is functioning properly it will draw water vapor and other nasty vapors out of the engine and send them to the base of the carb to be combusted.

Good for your engine, good for the environment.

That's very helpful information, thank you!
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Old Jan 14, 2012 | 05:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Banzai
Sounds like your due for a good drain and flush. I'm not sure whay may be the culprit. but fine grains of alumunium suspended in oil may tend to turn into grey sludge.
Well yes that's true, I'm not about to waste $80.00 on a oil change. Before solving the problem..
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Old Jan 14, 2012 | 05:10 PM
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Originally Posted by j9fd3s
when the oil doesn't have time to get hot, it collects enough water to make enough steam to make the goop. either drive more or change the oil more....
Never heard that before, but it's an interesting theory.. The car was only driven for 1 day in 6 months before I picked it up...
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Old Jan 14, 2012 | 05:27 PM
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Last summer I bought a brand new Ariens MaxZoom zero turn mower, less than an hour on the clock and that was from moving it around the showroom. Fantastic machine, professional grade, 48" cut with the 24 horse Kawasaki V twin engine.

When I checked the oil fresh out of the crate, it had the lung butter on the dip stick and the oil was milky.

Needless to say, I was concerned. But like J9 says, this is normal if an engine hasn't been run long enough to heat up and vaporize the water vapor. Two hours on the mower and the lung butter was gone for good.

I'd do a general check for vacuum leaks and take a good look at the purge valve, but chances are this is one of those problems that will fix itself. If not, take a closer look at the purge valve.
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Old Jan 14, 2012 | 06:03 PM
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Thanks again, I'll definitely take that advice and run with it..
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Old Jan 15, 2012 | 02:21 AM
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Originally Posted by j9fd3s
when the oil doesn't have time to get hot, it collects enough water to make enough steam to make the goop. either drive more or change the oil more....
^+1

Have the same issue with my daily driver (piston engine) and especialy in cold conditions. Every once in a while i have to drive about 200 kilometers on the highway and the engine is clean again. In the summertime where the engine heats up more i have no trouble with it.
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