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06-19-04, 09:16 PM
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i have a first gen now but im am looking to upgrade and there is a secod generation for sale and i am able to get it. witch one is better preformance wise?
06-19-04, 09:28 PM
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second gen.
but it really depends on the shape of the car, and the car you're comparing it too. if you've got a tired, low compression 220k mile FC vs. a 60k mile FB running in good condition, then there you go. But performance wise, the FC is better.
but it really depends on the shape of the car, and the car you're comparing it too. if you've got a tired, low compression 220k mile FC vs. a 60k mile FB running in good condition, then there you go. But performance wise, the FC is better.
06-19-04, 10:52 PM
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There isn't a performance category that the GSL-SE won't beat a NA second gen in. It has better acceleration, higher ultimate grip and if I remember right, better transient handling as well. The 2nd gens are softer and quieter. They're easier to drive, but if you're interested in a sports car, the 1st gen is the car.
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06-20-04, 11:20 AM
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well i mean, come on. you asked in the first gen section. You're going to have biased opinions. The second gen is a better car though.
schultze you think that the 2nd gen isnt a sports car? oh... let's see. wait, yah it is. Oh and did you forget about the TII? or how about vert models? If the second gen motors aren't good, then why do people swap them into their first gen models? Just something to think about.
If you want a race car, fine. Take your first gen, strip it, make a tube frame for it, and have fun with your 12a carbed engine. But that doesn't seem like it'd be fun for daily driving.
In the end, everyone has their own opinion. But by facts, and by comparison, the 2nd gen is a better car. there's no denying it.
schultze you think that the 2nd gen isnt a sports car? oh... let's see. wait, yah it is. Oh and did you forget about the TII? or how about vert models? If the second gen motors aren't good, then why do people swap them into their first gen models? Just something to think about.
If you want a race car, fine. Take your first gen, strip it, make a tube frame for it, and have fun with your 12a carbed engine. But that doesn't seem like it'd be fun for daily driving.
In the end, everyone has their own opinion. But by facts, and by comparison, the 2nd gen is a better car. there's no denying it.
06-20-04, 11:36 AM
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I have a gsl-se 1st gen, and a base model 2nd gen. so I have a very unbiast oppinion, and the gsl-se is a better car, it's more fun to drive, it's quicker, and I think it looks better. I will not say that the 2nd gen is NOT a sports car, because it is, I used to rip it around town pretty good, and I still love it and hate to sell it. But I had a choice between a base model 2nd gen and a gsl-se 1st gen, and I chose the 1st gen. HOWEVER, between a turbo 2nd gen and a gsl-se, I'd probably take the TII. But the vert... ha... dude, do your research.. the vert is heavy, slow, and in my oppinion, pointless. If you want a convertable to look good in, get something else.
just my $.02
so by facts, and comparison, the 2nd gen is NOT a better car, there's no denying it.
just my $.02
so by facts, and comparison, the 2nd gen is NOT a better car, there's no denying it.
06-20-04, 01:11 PM
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This is a pointless arguement, you know. The two are different. Is one better than the other, ultimately, no. There are things that the 1st gen is better at, and things that the second gen is better at.
The facts are that the second gen moved upmarket from where the 1st gen was. The base 2nd gen cost more than the top of the line GSL-SE from the year before. The second gen is at least a couple of hundred pounds heavier than the first, sometimes as much as 800 pounds. The second gens typically came with more options, had softer suspensions and were more "civilized". It totally depends on what you're looking for.
Trying to argue that one is better than the other though is stupid.
The facts are that the second gen moved upmarket from where the 1st gen was. The base 2nd gen cost more than the top of the line GSL-SE from the year before. The second gen is at least a couple of hundred pounds heavier than the first, sometimes as much as 800 pounds. The second gens typically came with more options, had softer suspensions and were more "civilized". It totally depends on what you're looking for.
Trying to argue that one is better than the other though is stupid.
06-20-04, 01:39 PM
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Each generation has its own individual assets. The first gen is light and can quickly be modded to be the best handling car around. The second gen still handles awesome in comparison to non-RX7 cars, it's plain looking so a lot of people won't recognize what it is, and a 13b-RE fits in quite easily. The third gen is the monster of the group, exceptional handling and power out of the box, quirky reliability issues, but once those are sorted out a great all around car.
Now, for opinions. The first gen is the lightest of the group, meaning the most potential for tuning. If I was in your situation: keep the first gen, spend $1200 on a 13b-RE & tranny, grab an aftermarket ecu, and put a Turbo II diff in the back. Some bigger tires to compensate for the power, and you have a monster.
Now, for opinions. The first gen is the lightest of the group, meaning the most potential for tuning. If I was in your situation: keep the first gen, spend $1200 on a 13b-RE & tranny, grab an aftermarket ecu, and put a Turbo II diff in the back. Some bigger tires to compensate for the power, and you have a monster.
06-20-04, 05:56 PM
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Whenever I'm out touring in my '83 along with a few FC's- it's my car that everyone's lookin' at. And when we all stop for fuel, again, it's my car that they come over for a better look and a quick Q & A.
06-20-04, 07:58 PM
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You really can't just ask "Which one is better performance-wise" without specifying what you're actually going to be doing in the car...certain cars are naturally better in different areas than others...
06-20-04, 10:07 PM
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I've noticed that recently, both the second and first gen cars are about the same price. Even a couple of years ago, there was a big price difference.
06-21-04, 12:03 AM
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lol well plastic surgery is the first of my problems lol. nah I'm kidding but to me the FC is not the best looking vehicle. The interior is ugly as well in my eyes.
07-05-04, 09:28 PM
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I like my 86 base, its not too much heavier than a GSL-SE (cant remember exactly what a 'SE weighs, time to dig up the brochure) I personally like the look of the FC better. I've never driven an FB so I guess I cant really make a good comparison, but I know that I will not be getting rid of my FC anytime soon.
By the way, ask this in the second gen forum and see the replies. Ask this in the lounge if you want a good mix of opinions.
By the way, ask this in the second gen forum and see the replies. Ask this in the lounge if you want a good mix of opinions.
07-05-04, 09:31 PM
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I like my 86 base, its not too much heavier than a GSL-SE (cant remember exactly what a 'SE weighs, time to dig up the brochure) I personally like the look of the FC better. I've never driven an FB so I guess I cant really make a good comparison, but I know that I will not be getting rid of my FC anytime soon.
By the way, ask this in the second gen forum and see the replies. Ask this in the lounge if you want a good mix of opinions.
AND (found my brochure) the GSL-SE weighs 2575 lbs. That is 50lbs less than a stock FC, so thats not really a strong argument point.
By the way, ask this in the second gen forum and see the replies. Ask this in the lounge if you want a good mix of opinions.
AND (found my brochure) the GSL-SE weighs 2575 lbs. That is 50lbs less than a stock FC, so thats not really a strong argument point.
07-06-04, 02:39 AM
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Well, the body for the FC was based lightly off the Porsche 944 Turbo, so if you like an imitation, go FC. FB has a much more 'distinct' look than the FB. The FCs have a four seat model. The FCs have more power, and are a bit more comfortable (IMO).
The FBs have more character (again IMO)
The FB seems to embrace you, the way the interior is set up. The FC seems to accept you, but not QUITE embrace you.
If any of that makes sense I'll be damned, but that's the way I see it.
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The FBs have more character (again IMO)
The FB seems to embrace you, the way the interior is set up. The FC seems to accept you, but not QUITE embrace you.
If any of that makes sense I'll be damned, but that's the way I see it.
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