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Old Nov 26, 2002 | 02:06 PM
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Defintion of drifting

From what i've read and heard drifting is defined as:
You get your car to slide and turn the wheels the opposite way the car is sliding

Anyone else have any ideas?
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Old Nov 26, 2002 | 02:38 PM
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All four wheels have lost full traction, and are sliding on an even and predictable path. You can even still steer the car with throttle and brakes if your car is set up correctly.

This is easier to do in a SA22 or FB because of the 50/50 weight distribution. Getting the tires/shocks/springs etc. all tuned to deliver identical coefficient of sliding friction is what's difficult.

Burning rubber is not drifting. Donuts are not drifting. The ATF trick is not drifting.
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Old Nov 26, 2002 | 03:26 PM
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actually all 7's are supposedly 50/50. some of the top drift cars are not though. it has to do with going into a corner too fast, pitching the car into a 4 wheel slide, hanging the *** end out as far as possibly controlled using a combination of steering and throttle, and exiting as smooth as possible. two things will help you in this, power and a limited slip differential. neither are a must have but will help immensely. if you want to watch the one sport that uses this as a needed form of racing, watch the world rally championship. awd drifting at its best. do not mistake powerslides with drifting. powerslides entail hanging the rear out with judicious use of the throttle.
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Old Nov 26, 2002 | 03:36 PM
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www.driftseason.com
www.driftkings.com

Hope that helps. They have some good info there .

~T.J.
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Old Nov 26, 2002 | 04:53 PM
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dude, trust me on this ... based on the Gen II thread on drifting ... you're setting us up for a massive flame war!

but here's my understanding of it ...
jeremy and longduck are perfectly right. it's pitching the car into high speed, 4-wheel slides, which are controlled with very skillful and throttle and steering inputs to maintain and control the slide.

and yes, the only practical application that i've seen in racing would be Rally (Rallye, for the non-Americans ) racing.

apparently, the Toyota Corolla ('84-'87) and the Nissan Sylvia (our 240SX) are well respected among drifters.

(BTW: just to add to LongDuck's list of perpetrators ... locking up all 4 wheels in the rain, and sliding into the intersection is not drifting, either. )
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Old Nov 26, 2002 | 04:59 PM
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another thing. do not try drifting cars that have active or passive rear steering, its a bitch.
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Old Nov 26, 2002 | 11:01 PM
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Drifting: wavering back and forth on the road despite holding the steering while in a straight line; a result of the excessive play in first gen recirculating ball steering. Can really tax the nerves while semi's pass in the rain.

That's about the only drifting I do.

Right on.
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Old Nov 26, 2002 | 11:14 PM
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also try
www.driftworks.org
heaps of cool video's and tips here..
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Old Nov 26, 2002 | 11:16 PM
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Originally posted by brownmound
Drifting: wavering back and forth on the road despite holding the steering while in a straight line; a result of the excessive play in first gen recirculating ball steering. Can really tax the nerves while semi's pass in the rain.

That's about the only drifting I do.

Right on.
I hate the freeplay in my steering...it's just really annoying. Now I'm pretty used to it...but when I first got in my 1st Gen. I was like....WTF! hehe
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Old Nov 27, 2002 | 11:32 AM
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Drifting: wandering aimlessly through life, see also Drifter, Hobo, Vagabonding, etc.
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Old Nov 27, 2002 | 01:25 PM
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Drifting : Waste of tires, gas and time...wait until it ices over and spare your drivetrain the misery...
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Old Nov 27, 2002 | 01:41 PM
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yes, and how many kids kill themselves in Japan and the US trying to drift ?
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Old Nov 27, 2002 | 01:49 PM
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natural selection. we're overpopulating the world as is. plus it gives someone else a free motec exhaust.
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Old Nov 27, 2002 | 02:12 PM
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The thing I hate is all the stupid drag racing on bad roads crashing. Then the media gets the story and everyone with a "modified" car is a punk kid from the fast and the furious (my most hated movie BTW). I wish natural selection would hurrie up, I'm tired of POS ricers with coffe cans hanging out the getting in my way.
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Hmm, that sounds kinda angry now that I've reread it.
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Old Nov 27, 2002 | 02:34 PM
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i agree. unfortunately, racers and idiots are a majority. thats a lot to take out. mother nature is only so capable.
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Old Nov 27, 2002 | 02:49 PM
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Originally posted by MikeLMR
yes, and how many kids kill themselves in Japan and the US trying to drift ?
in the US ... not enough. it's amazing what these people will try, without thinking, just because of a video ...
Originally posted by jeremy
natural selection. we're overpopulating the world as is. plus it gives someone else a free motec exhaust.

Originally posted by rotor vs. piston
The thing I hate is all the stupid drag racing on bad roads crashing. Then the media gets the story and everyone with a "modified" car is a punk kid from the fast and the furious (my most hated movie BTW). I wish natural selection would hurrie up, I'm tired of POS ricers with coffe cans hanging out the getting in my way.
i know exactly what you mean. it kills me to hear these stiff-necked, yuppie scumbags in the media report on things of this nature ... why don't they stick to golf and stock reports?

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Old Nov 27, 2002 | 03:35 PM
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I always thought it was driving around a turn without letting the rear wheels get traction... Ever...

Like as you're turning, hit the brakes to shift more weight to the front of the car, then downshift and dump clutch with the engine revved high. (Heel/Toe shifting helps here.) This'll spin the rear tires and loose traction, causing massive oversteer...

The front wheels should still have grip in that situation...

Maybe I've been watching too much Initial D...
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Old Nov 27, 2002 | 03:41 PM
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Whatever drifting is keep it off the roads. Go find an empty parking lot or join a racing body that has drifting compatitions. Anything that helps you learn car control is great, but just do it where you don't hurt anyone. and don't hurt yourself (for the smart people).
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Old Dec 6, 2002 | 01:10 PM
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what is The ATF trick ?
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Old Dec 6, 2002 | 02:04 PM
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Originally posted by Pele
I always thought it was driving around a turn without letting the rear wheels get traction... Ever...

Like as you're turning, hit the brakes to shift more weight to the front of the car, then downshift and dump clutch with the engine revved high. (Heel/Toe shifting helps here.) This'll spin the rear tires and loose traction, causing massive oversteer...

The front wheels should still have grip in that situation...

Maybe I've been watching too much Initial D...
not enough actually. the front tires should be scrubbing too. they will appear to have traction but in a true drift the entire car is loose and the driver is working the steering and throttle to keep the tail out as far as possible. otherwise its called powersliding.
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Old Dec 6, 2002 | 02:56 PM
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I drift at the end of my street in my mom's accord!
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Old Dec 6, 2002 | 03:03 PM
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drifting is the **** but it is difficult in fbs due to the really slow steering.

FCs and FDs are much better set up for it.
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Old Dec 6, 2002 | 03:14 PM
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Originally posted by 82streetracer
drifting is the **** but it is difficult in fbs due to the really slow steering.

FCs and FDs are much better set up for it.
not unless you replace the passive rear steer bushings in the fc ($40 parts).
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Old Dec 6, 2002 | 04:42 PM
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Drifting isn't always fly into a corner at high speed and kickin the back end out. I have seen cars go into coners at about 15 M.P.H. and gently sliding the back end out and holding it there with the throttle. It looks really cool, too. LAter
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