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Old 04-21-06, 09:49 PM
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Originally Posted by vipernicus42
So far, the quotes I've seen stating that "for offroad use only isn't a loophole" talk about the purchaser.
Nope, they mean distributor or manufacturer. I could post the whole thing, but it's loooong and full of legalese. Remember, under the law corporations are persons, and proprieterships and partnerships are owned by persons.

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Now am I to believe that RacingBeat, who makes exhaust systems which clearly violate US Federal and Cali emisisons compliance regulations, can't sell them because they're not road legal?
First, FMVSS.108 deals with seatbelts, helmets, child seats, headlights, and other safety equipment. Exhaust is not part of that statute.

Second, of a headlight isn't DOT compliant and blinds an oncoming car, a fatal accident could occur. If a header 'fails' and restricts your exhaust, making oyur car run poorly, it's unlikely that'll cause an immediate accident at moment of failure.

After Ford Exploders started doing backflips off the highways due to bad tires, many beurocrats collectively got spanked as people wondered why safety regs weren't being adequately enforced.

Just like 911 begat DHS and the Patriot Act, the automotive safety scandals of the early part of this century begat NHTSA crackdowns.

edited to spell 'helmets' right

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Ahhhh...

So this crack down isn't on all non-DOT or "for offroad use only" stuff, it's just a crackdown on the safety stuff covered by that particular code of law.

My bad.

It's like how I can pass a safety check with an RB exhaust on but not with a rope as a seatbelt. Because one is unsafe to me or others, and the other is not.

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Originally Posted by vipernicus42
Lol, I feel like those guys who find a doomed thread and post "ibtl!" (in before the lock).

I've got my set, no matter if Dan is forced to stop selling them or not. IBTL!

Jon
He may choose to stop selling REAR ones. There's nothing keeping him from selling the front ones, and I'll feel like a complete *** if he does. They look awesome, and will be fine with amber bulbs.
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Originally Posted by vipernicus42
Ahhhh...

So this crack down isn't on all non-DOT or "for offroad use only" stuff, it's just a crackdown on the safety stuff covered by that particular code of law.

My bad.

It's like how I can pass a safety check with an RB exhaust on but not with a rope as a seatbelt. Because one is unsafe to me or others, and the other is not.

Jon
Bingo!
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DirectFreak came up with a good point.

Cars made before 63 don't require seatbelts (may be wrong in year but point is given), and cars from the early 70s only had one side mirror (like the first run of RX-7s)

So the year of the car could be given to excuse the corner markers.

Unless someone did some research as to when that came up.
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Cars that didn't require seatbelts rarely came with seatbelts, right? Manufacturers don't go out of their way to add parts that aren't needed, unless it'll enhance sales.

Our cars came with 'em stock. Therefore they need them. If oyu fill in the hole with metal and paint over it, you might get away with it. If you run clear lenses back there, you might get away with it. Depends on your local LEOs. I can only speak to what is required, not what your locally elected sherriff will use as his reason to collect a few hundred bucks out of oyu for his doughnut fund
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The front and rear light sizes are slightly different.

Dan is not the manufacturer of this part. Just like NAPA is not the manufacturer of the red bulb you need to buy to make the rear side markers work. Most of the problems LEOs have are with taillamps, a cop would have to be having a pretty fucked up day around where I live to care about how red my rear side markers are at night.

I've had Jose Reyes clears on my car for many years. Never had any problem but I drive my car like I own it, not like I stole it...
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Even though he's not the manufacturer, he would be pinned as the distributor. I wouldn't want anyone to get in trouble for something as stupid as some rear lenses so...

Put me down for a set of front clear ones and a set of "SPECIAL GSL-SE-SL" front clear lenses for the front AND not FOR the REAR LENSES.

I'm not sending subliminal messages lol....
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0K than I will stop making the rear lenses so I dont get to have Bubba pound on me wile I am in jail... If you all put the front side lenses on the rear that will be your problem... the other thing
What was thinking is how many RXes are out there verses anything Honda??? So from what Manntis is telling me thay will come after a little pon like me????

I will have more later....

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In all actuality, you'd probably be low on their list, Dan - but I'd rather you have your ducks lined up just-in-case, while at the same time continuing to provide us with great stuff
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Maybe Mantis and Dan should talk offline, Also Mantis how the hell do you know all this stuff?
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I know Mantis has been around a wile probley just as long as me...
Think of it this way I am sure there are things that I know where he does not and vise versa...

However all this info I did NOT know, so I am taking it as a fair warning..

Anyway mantis would you please send me a PM with your PH # with a good time to call and I will call you or could you send me a link of where I can find all of this stuff...

Later
Dan

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Originally Posted by Directfreak
No. All Dan has to do is market these as for "Offroad Use" only, and not street legal. Just like most of you and your RB exhaust systems. Then he's off the hook and it's up to you and your local Po-Po. Some of your police departments have nothing better to do. And some of ours (Police Dept's) have everyhting else to do than to worry about that kind of crap.

Dan won't get in any trouble whatsoever. I DO want a clear "IoTus" style tailights very much though. That would be awesome. He had agreed to make me a set a long time ago, and then sold his car and changed his life, etc..
ahh iotus, i got the honor to drive that beast and see it daily... (the code blues bought it)
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Originally Posted by mbaha
Maybe Mantis and Dan should talk offline, Also Mantis how the hell do you know all this stuff?
By being a nosey wet blanket, of course

Sure Dan, PM me anytime.
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Don't worry Dan. I wont tell em where i got em. hehe
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Got what? I don't "got" anything

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