mikey D

Just wondering how these feel when autox'd...
now that theres the whole fc front end option Im not sure which way to go.

racintang

Stay away from CP!!!!!!!

aussiesmg

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Those steering upgrades are questionable at best and there are no classes which will allow you to run with Rack and Pinion on an FB. I recommend upgrading your factory parts.

mikey D

i wouldnt be buying it from cp.

i would like to know if anyone has put their CP rack to the test at a track.

purple82

I won't disagree with what's written above, but I am a firm supporter of the kit. I've posted my impressions of it in past threads. I'd never go back. I've never driven my car in an autocross but I spend most of my time driving it through the mountains and I love it. The steering has about the same ratio and about the same turning radius as stock, so I can't imagine there would be any performance loss.

Just as an aside, if you get a catalog from these guys www.flamingriver.com you can make your own R&P steering exactly the way you want to. It's not a cheap approach, but this isn't where you want to skimp.

MosesX605

Yep. Changing out the steering assembly will put you in MOD class. That kinda puts a damper on things if you're at all competitive. If you don't care much about that, consider that the kit doesn't improve turning radius nor does it reduce the number of turns lock to lock.

So I ask again, what are you paying over $600 for?

purple82

Ever tried it?

steve84GS TII

Ive never had any issues when pushing it hard.Freeway offramps at 80MPH and such.......only in remote places or late at night of course!

Feedback is good and its very precise.The low speed usage is where the CP kit falls a little short.The turning raduis isnt really improved and the effort is a little much,but thats probably more due to my heavier 13BT and 225/17 front tires.Theres also the binding issue when its new,although mine went away after a few months.But still.....it was binding because of SOMETHING being wrong...(excessive Ujoint angle).
I do like my CP kit,been running it for 2.5 years now.I am not however,blind to its flaws...such as the tight turn of the Ujoints,steel roll pin disabling the collapse feature,and the general cobbyness of their final product.Id give it a C+....its an upgrade in many ways,but Id rather do an FC subframe swap eventually and get a professionally engineered R&P setup.....with power as an option.

mikey D

thanks for the replys

My car allready falls in the MOD class. I have a turbo engine.

I am aware and less than excited about many of the problems that come with the CP R&P

is still interested in any impressions from people hwo have put them on a race track.

aussiesmg

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To me it appears that people who race dont waste their time and money on this type of mod, it costs a lot and gains little or nothing so why waste the cost of a new set of tires on this.

MosesX605

Don't need to. I have a well maintained steering assembly with very little play and more than enough feel.

The kit is way overpriced from a cost/benefit standpoint. Even its most ardent supporters basically state that aside from steering 'feel' the kit is not an improvement in terms of lock to lock ratio and is indeed detrimental to turning radius. If you're going to go to all the trouble of replacing the steering box with an R/P setup, at least choose a rack with quicker response.

Dick Elliott

All this B/S is just that!!!! Why can't someone just answer the orginal question, or don't any of you experts autocross? Read the orginal question. I for one would like to know.

mikey D

Im with dick elliot

thanks again to those who answered my question

purple82

I'd say that if you haven't tried it, you don't know how much better it can get. You've got to try them both to make an unbiased opinion. How can you say Coke is better than Pepsi without trying Pepsi?

aussiesmg

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Lots of us "Experts" Autocross, we just dont waste $600 on a modification which by all reports from those who have it is a waste of money. If that's B/S I'm sorry but maybe the question should have stated that you didn't want opinions from those who were trying to help, just replies based on actual experience. He indicated he was considering this and the majority of feedback in the forums from those who have done this is negative.

This is not a can of Coke either but the steering in your car, somewhat more important than the taste of soda, so those who've got some 1st Generation experience tried to share with a noob who requested information. So shoot us, try asking the actual question clearly and susinctly the first time.

For the real answer to this question post it in the autocross section and see what the regular drivers say.

Why do people come into these posts just to call B/S, the nature of the forums is for people to express opinions and share knowledge, if you dont agree explain your point of view or shut up, I didn't see you answer his question so what was the point.

purple82

Um, you missed the point.

jimmdog

Good Grief! The CP rack probally wont do much for autoX due to the fact that you are all over the wheel with Gates Chicago boxes and sloloms road coarses generally need a lighter touch on the wheel therefore R&P works better on that application. Hope this Helps

DriveFast7

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I don't think anyone is going to care if you auto-x with a rack below MOD class, until you podium finish, then you'll get teched and DSQ'd.