Any shifter is a short throw compared to the stock!
03-18-05, 05:26 PM
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Any shifter is a short throw compared to the stock!
Waht's up everyone, first time user of this forum. I have a 1979 RX-7, just fully restored it, now I have to upgrade just a little, I'm looking for a C's Short Throw Shifter, now I found one for about $220.00 should I take it or are the ones cheaper elsewhere? Please help me out, I need this pretty quickly you can reach me at: john071784@netzero.com 
03-18-05, 05:50 PM
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jorx81@aol.com has some for sale. get ahold of him. nice product, great deal.
03-18-05, 06:07 PM
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jorx81@aol.com has some for sale. get ahold of him. nice product, great deal.
03-18-05, 06:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Snapshot
I simply cut an inch off the stick & installed a Momo ****. Mazdas are so notchie I never even thought of doing the short shift. Let me know your results please.
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03-18-05, 07:35 PM
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Plus there are no short throw shifters to fit an SA. The SA already has a "short throw" shifter in a sense... the distance from the pivot ball to the motion ball is about 1/4" futher down than in an FB/FC shifter. This means you get more transmission motion for a given shifter ANGLE. The SA shifter is longer, yes, however the actual shift throw is the same as an FB/FC. But since the angle doesn't change as much, it feels GOOD instead of flopping over like an old lightswitch.
If you tried to install a short throw shifter in an SA, two things will happen: First, the amount of shift throw reduction will not be as great, and second, you won't be able to shift into 1st, 3rd, or 5th because the shift lever will be deep into the radio! Assuming you can reach that far forward to begin with.
And of course, short throw shifters make you shift SLOWER because you have less leverage against the shift mechanisms, so effort goes up dramatically. And when effort goes up, feel goes down, so you can't feel the synchros doing their thing as you strain your forearm trying to get the thing into gear. So tranny life goes down along with your slower shifts, since the only way to really shift is to just overforce it, which is a Bad Thing. It's fine on a Honda because nobody really cares if you trash a Honda transmission, but this is a Mazda and it's actually worth something. Especially if it's a '79.
If you tried to install a short throw shifter in an SA, two things will happen: First, the amount of shift throw reduction will not be as great, and second, you won't be able to shift into 1st, 3rd, or 5th because the shift lever will be deep into the radio! Assuming you can reach that far forward to begin with.
And of course, short throw shifters make you shift SLOWER because you have less leverage against the shift mechanisms, so effort goes up dramatically. And when effort goes up, feel goes down, so you can't feel the synchros doing their thing as you strain your forearm trying to get the thing into gear. So tranny life goes down along with your slower shifts, since the only way to really shift is to just overforce it, which is a Bad Thing. It's fine on a Honda because nobody really cares if you trash a Honda transmission, but this is a Mazda and it's actually worth something. Especially if it's a '79.
03-18-05, 08:09 PM
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Originally Posted by peejay
Plus there are no short throw shifters to fit an SA. The SA already has a "short throw" shifter in a sense... the distance from the pivot ball to the motion ball is about 1/4" futher down than in an FB/FC shifter. This means you get more transmission motion for a given shifter ANGLE. The SA shifter is longer, yes, however the actual shift throw is the same as an FB/FC. But since the angle doesn't change as much, it feels GOOD instead of flopping over like an old lightswitch.
If you tried to install a short throw shifter in an SA, two things will happen: First, the amount of shift throw reduction will not be as great, and second, you won't be able to shift into 1st, 3rd, or 5th because the shift lever will be deep into the radio! Assuming you can reach that far forward to begin with.
And of course, short throw shifters make you shift SLOWER because you have less leverage against the shift mechanisms, so effort goes up dramatically. And when effort goes up, feel goes down, so you can't feel the synchros doing their thing as you strain your forearm trying to get the thing into gear. So tranny life goes down along with your slower shifts, since the only way to really shift is to just overforce it, which is a Bad Thing. It's fine on a Honda because nobody really cares if you trash a Honda transmission, but this is a Mazda and it's actually worth something. Especially if it's a '79.
If you tried to install a short throw shifter in an SA, two things will happen: First, the amount of shift throw reduction will not be as great, and second, you won't be able to shift into 1st, 3rd, or 5th because the shift lever will be deep into the radio! Assuming you can reach that far forward to begin with.
And of course, short throw shifters make you shift SLOWER because you have less leverage against the shift mechanisms, so effort goes up dramatically. And when effort goes up, feel goes down, so you can't feel the synchros doing their thing as you strain your forearm trying to get the thing into gear. So tranny life goes down along with your slower shifts, since the only way to really shift is to just overforce it, which is a Bad Thing. It's fine on a Honda because nobody really cares if you trash a Honda transmission, but this is a Mazda and it's actually worth something. Especially if it's a '79.
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03-18-05, 09:14 PM
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Short throw shifters don't make you shift slower. The whole idea of a short throw is to have less travel in the top of the shifter.
I've made my own short throws and done them properly and they do shift much faster.
It's all about leverage. My shifter is extended between the 2 '*****' and lengthened. Yet it is less than half the distance travel of the stock one, while being 7/8" taller.
As a side note, this is for the FB's and up.
I've made my own short throws and done them properly and they do shift much faster.
It's all about leverage. My shifter is extended between the 2 '*****' and lengthened. Yet it is less than half the distance travel of the stock one, while being 7/8" taller.
As a side note, this is for the FB's and up.
03-18-05, 09:21 PM
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And we're back into the "overforcing" into the gear. The tranny wasn't made to slam gears like some hoduh *** on the street. These cars were made for corner carving. Road racing is about smoothness, not quickness. How many hondas come with front AND rear FACTORY tow hooks for when you eat the tire wall?
03-18-05, 10:23 PM
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Originally Posted by trochoid
Short throw shifters don't make you shift slower. The whole idea of a short throw is to have less travel in the top of the shifter.
Putting the extension on my stock FB shifter lets me shift *really* quickly. You can feel exactly what is going on in the transmission, since you only need fingertip pressure to shift.
03-18-05, 10:43 PM
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Originally Posted by lovintha7
And we're back into the "overforcing" into the gear. The tranny wasn't made to slam gears like some hoduh *** on the street. These cars were made for corner carving. Road racing is about smoothness, not quickness. How many hondas come with front AND rear FACTORY tow hooks for when you eat the tire wall?
I've used any of those 6 of those tow hooks for moving disabled vehicles, or vehicles stuck in the snow. The 4wd on the wagon really helped in that, but both cars got the job done...
03-19-05, 01:40 AM
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overforcing into gear? come on now, short shifter slower gear change? where do some of you guys come up with this stuff? please dont miss lead the new guys. most of them have a hard anuff time on their own.
03-19-05, 01:55 AM
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But they reduce the force your hand exerts on the mechanism, so your hand needs to exert more force for the same effect, meaning you can't feel what is going on.
Putting the extension on my stock FB shifter lets me shift *really* quickly. You can feel exactly what is going on in the transmission, since you only need fingertip pressure to shift.
Putting the extension on my stock FB shifter lets me shift *really* quickly. You can feel exactly what is going on in the transmission, since you only need fingertip pressure to shift.
I've had a couple of other 7 owners drive it, and they are impressed with the crisper shifts. They also want one for thier cars, but I have yet to make any more.
03-19-05, 10:23 AM
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I see no earthly reason to shorten the shifter in my SA. It's in the perfect place for my arm, the throws are precise as it is, and it takes very little effort to shift into gear. I've had no problem keeping on top of things on the autoX course with the stock setup.
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