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Old Mar 18, 2005 | 05:26 PM
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Exclamation Any shifter is a short throw compared to the stock!

Waht's up everyone, first time user of this forum. I have a 1979 RX-7, just fully restored it, now I have to upgrade just a little, I'm looking for a C's Short Throw Shifter, now I found one for about $220.00 should I take it or are the ones cheaper elsewhere? Please help me out, I need this pretty quickly you can reach me at: john071784@netzero.com
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Old Mar 18, 2005 | 05:33 PM
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I simply cut an inch off the stick & installed a Momo ****. Mazdas are so notchie I never even thought of doing the short shift. Let me know your results please.
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Old Mar 18, 2005 | 05:50 PM
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jorx81@aol.com has some for sale. get ahold of him. nice product, great deal.
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Old Mar 18, 2005 | 06:07 PM
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jorx81@aol.com has some for sale. get ahold of him. nice product, great deal.
does he have a new batch yet? I pmed him before and I was told to wait till the next batch
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Old Mar 18, 2005 | 06:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Snapshot
I simply cut an inch off the stick & installed a Momo ****. Mazdas are so notchie I never even thought of doing the short shift. Let me know your results please.
Try some Redline MT-90 oil in the tranny. Should clear up a lot of the "notchy" feeling
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Old Mar 18, 2005 | 06:23 PM
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My shifters should be ready in less than 3 weeks.
got your car running just now candyass
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Old Mar 18, 2005 | 06:43 PM
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Why buy a 79 if you want to reach down to change gears. The 79 stick is one part that makes it unique.
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Old Mar 18, 2005 | 07:35 PM
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Plus there are no short throw shifters to fit an SA. The SA already has a "short throw" shifter in a sense... the distance from the pivot ball to the motion ball is about 1/4" futher down than in an FB/FC shifter. This means you get more transmission motion for a given shifter ANGLE. The SA shifter is longer, yes, however the actual shift throw is the same as an FB/FC. But since the angle doesn't change as much, it feels GOOD instead of flopping over like an old lightswitch.

If you tried to install a short throw shifter in an SA, two things will happen: First, the amount of shift throw reduction will not be as great, and second, you won't be able to shift into 1st, 3rd, or 5th because the shift lever will be deep into the radio! Assuming you can reach that far forward to begin with.

And of course, short throw shifters make you shift SLOWER because you have less leverage against the shift mechanisms, so effort goes up dramatically. And when effort goes up, feel goes down, so you can't feel the synchros doing their thing as you strain your forearm trying to get the thing into gear. So tranny life goes down along with your slower shifts, since the only way to really shift is to just overforce it, which is a Bad Thing. It's fine on a Honda because nobody really cares if you trash a Honda transmission, but this is a Mazda and it's actually worth something. Especially if it's a '79.
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Old Mar 18, 2005 | 08:09 PM
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Plus there are no short throw shifters to fit an SA. The SA already has a "short throw" shifter in a sense... the distance from the pivot ball to the motion ball is about 1/4" futher down than in an FB/FC shifter. This means you get more transmission motion for a given shifter ANGLE. The SA shifter is longer, yes, however the actual shift throw is the same as an FB/FC. But since the angle doesn't change as much, it feels GOOD instead of flopping over like an old lightswitch.

If you tried to install a short throw shifter in an SA, two things will happen: First, the amount of shift throw reduction will not be as great, and second, you won't be able to shift into 1st, 3rd, or 5th because the shift lever will be deep into the radio! Assuming you can reach that far forward to begin with.

And of course, short throw shifters make you shift SLOWER because you have less leverage against the shift mechanisms, so effort goes up dramatically. And when effort goes up, feel goes down, so you can't feel the synchros doing their thing as you strain your forearm trying to get the thing into gear. So tranny life goes down along with your slower shifts, since the only way to really shift is to just overforce it, which is a Bad Thing. It's fine on a Honda because nobody really cares if you trash a Honda transmission, but this is a Mazda and it's actually worth something. Especially if it's a '79.

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Old Mar 18, 2005 | 09:14 PM
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Short throw shifters don't make you shift slower. The whole idea of a short throw is to have less travel in the top of the shifter.

I've made my own short throws and done them properly and they do shift much faster.

It's all about leverage. My shifter is extended between the 2 '*****' and lengthened. Yet it is less than half the distance travel of the stock one, while being 7/8" taller.

As a side note, this is for the FB's and up.
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Old Mar 18, 2005 | 09:19 PM
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Actually there is a sa short shifter and they aren't too bad priced, can't remember who makes it though, nice looking product too.
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Old Mar 18, 2005 | 09:21 PM
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And we're back into the "overforcing" into the gear. The tranny wasn't made to slam gears like some hoduh *** on the street. These cars were made for corner carving. Road racing is about smoothness, not quickness. How many hondas come with front AND rear FACTORY tow hooks for when you eat the tire wall?
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Old Mar 18, 2005 | 09:34 PM
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we're not all into road racing, i'd get an fc or something better for that, just my personal opinion.
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Old Mar 18, 2005 | 10:07 PM
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Gee, and I thought the hooks were there to tie it down on the trailer so I can take it to the drag strip and slam gears. Whoda thunk?
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Old Mar 18, 2005 | 10:23 PM
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Originally Posted by trochoid
Short throw shifters don't make you shift slower. The whole idea of a short throw is to have less travel in the top of the shifter.
But they reduce the force your hand exerts on the mechanism, so your hand needs to exert more force for the same effect, meaning you can't feel what is going on.

Putting the extension on my stock FB shifter lets me shift *really* quickly. You can feel exactly what is going on in the transmission, since you only need fingertip pressure to shift.
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Old Mar 18, 2005 | 10:43 PM
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http://www.nopionline.com/index.cfm?...20Kit&vaffid=0

Your welcome. Its a good deal BTW.
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Old Mar 18, 2005 | 11:12 PM
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Originally Posted by lovintha7
And we're back into the "overforcing" into the gear. The tranny wasn't made to slam gears like some hoduh *** on the street. These cars were made for corner carving. Road racing is about smoothness, not quickness. How many hondas come with front AND rear FACTORY tow hooks for when you eat the tire wall?
Both my 1985 Wagon and my 1993 Sedan had two front hooks and one center mounted rear hook.

I've used any of those 6 of those tow hooks for moving disabled vehicles, or vehicles stuck in the snow. The 4wd on the wagon really helped in that, but both cars got the job done...

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Old Mar 19, 2005 | 01:40 AM
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overforcing into gear? come on now, short shifter slower gear change? where do some of you guys come up with this stuff? please dont miss lead the new guys. most of them have a hard anuff time on their own.
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Old Mar 19, 2005 | 01:55 AM
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But they reduce the force your hand exerts on the mechanism, so your hand needs to exert more force for the same effect, meaning you can't feel what is going on.

Putting the extension on my stock FB shifter lets me shift *really* quickly. You can feel exactly what is going on in the transmission, since you only need fingertip pressure to shift.
That is why I put the extension on my shifter. Not only is the throw shorter, I can also 'feel' the synchos and gears better. With having a shorter throw, I also get less rpm drop, than I did with the stock shifter, because the engagement is quicker, even during normal street driving.

I've had a couple of other 7 owners drive it, and they are impressed with the crisper shifts. They also want one for thier cars, but I have yet to make any more.
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Old Mar 19, 2005 | 10:23 AM
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I see no earthly reason to shorten the shifter in my SA. It's in the perfect place for my arm, the throws are precise as it is, and it takes very little effort to shift into gear. I've had no problem keeping on top of things on the autoX course with the stock setup.
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