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Any 1st gen 13B RE's out there?

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Old 10-24-11, 08:55 PM
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Any 1st gen 13B RE's out there?

Anyone running a 13bre FI motor in their 1st gen?
Old 10-24-11, 09:00 PM
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The 13b-re is the Cosmo's Turbo 13b. I'm pretty sure Directfreak's motor is (was? still broken?) based on that.
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Offhand, I know Mine, Setzep, MikeP-28, and Maxrx7.
And of course, the Grand-daddy.... AJC13B.
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Originally Posted by Directfreak
Offhand, I know Mine, Setzep, MikeP-28, and Maxrx7.
And of course, the Grand-daddy.... AJC13B.
Is your car still sitting with a (if I remember correctly) a broken side seal?
Old 10-24-11, 09:19 PM
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Nope. Got all the new parts/seals, and will be putting it back together over winter, along with the RE-Speed rack kit. Also planning on adding a couple of injector bungs for some extra (e85) fuel.
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Nope. Got all the new parts/seals, and will be putting it back together over winter, along with the RE-Speed rack kit. Also planning on adding a couple of injector bungs for some extra (e85) fuel.
NICE! still shooting for 600 at the wheels?
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Originally Posted by Directfreak
Offhand, I know Mine, Setzep, MikeP-28, and Maxrx7.
And of course, the Grand-daddy.... AJC13B.
Max7 has Mike's car. It's currently in project hell, one thing is leading to another is leading to another is leading to etc.

Don't forget Logan (GTORX7)'s FB, with 230whp N/A streetported 13B-RE.
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NICE! still shooting for 600 at the wheels?
Not for now.. I paid for the new bigger turbo and got shafted and never saw it.
I'll be happy to just get her up and running, painted and enjoyed.

On the same turbo and with e85, I think I can squeeze a little more out of it,
and MUCH MORE SAFELY. It was more than fast enough before.
It will be again.

Honestly, I REALLY have been contemplating the unthinkable...
as the High Horsepower/Reliability is just too good to ignore. Plus
I do have good access to parts/tuners for that around me.

I am pretty sure I will probably go that route in the future (a couple of rebuilds down the road).
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Originally Posted by Directfreak
Not for now.. I paid for the new bigger turbo and got shafted and never saw it.
I'll be happy to just get her up and running, painted and enjoyed.

On the same turbo and with e85, I think I can squeeze a little more out of it,
and MUCH MORE SAFELY. It was more than fast enough before.
It will be again.

Honestly, I REALLY have been contemplating the unthinkable...
as the High Horsepower/Reliability is just too good to ignore. Plus
I do have good access to parts/tuners for that around me.

I am pretty sure I will probably go that route in the future (a couple of rebuilds down the road).
Not happy just smashing relatively powerful cars, eh? You want to build a highway monster to run with the big boys of south flordia?
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Originally Posted by Directfreak
Honestly, I REALLY have been contemplating the unthinkable...
as the High Horsepower/Reliability is just too good to ignore. Plus
I do have good access to parts/tuners for that around me.

I am pretty sure I will probably go that route in the future (a couple of rebuilds down the road).
As much as I love the sound of a good inline 6, the 2JZ just too heavy for an FB, IMO. Though at least it's more interesting than a V8.
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Originally Posted by PercentSevenC
As much as I love the sound of a good inline 6, the 2JZ just too heavy for an FB, IMO. Though at least it's more interesting than a V8.
It could be done, however a different spring/shock setup will have to be devised (probably ReSpeed coils?). I've been told that the stock-sized FB strut cartridges are only good for ~300 in-lb springs.
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IF I do it, it would be around a the Full Mariah Widebody Kit Which I have owned since 2004 (and haven't installed).
With my cage/rearend/fatass - my car isn't light, and it's not a corner carver.

I wouldn't mind the 2JZ weight then...

I imagine it would be like a modernized version of this:


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Originally Posted by Directfreak
IF I do it, it would be around a the Full Mariah Widebody Kit Which I have owned since 2004 (and haven't installed).
With my cage/rearend/fatass - my car isn't light, and it's not a corner carver.

I wouldn't mind the 2JZ weight then...

I imagine it would be like a modernized version of this:


Or you could make it exactly like that...it's sexy...

What color are you painting your car this winter? Re-spray of the charcoal factory color?
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Originally Posted by Directfreak
Offhand, I know Mine, Setzep, MikeP-28, and Maxrx7.
And of course, the Grand-daddy.... AJC13B.
Awesome, thanks for the info. Hope to see some of you all's build threads. My 1st gen has everything respeed offered and now just picked up a 13bre motor minus the factory turbo. Wanting a safe 300-350 but not real sure the route to take just yet as I have never messed with a RE motor nor read anything on them. I assume if I think along the lines of a turbo II swap into a 1st gen then I would be on track.
And yes, I watch directfreak's dyno video alot.
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13bre

Hoping someday the engine will match the plate.

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I have a 13b-RE as well.
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Originally Posted by Fire85GSLSE
Awesome, thanks for the info. Hope to see some of you all's build threads. My 1st gen has everything respeed offered and now just picked up a 13bre motor minus the factory turbo. Wanting a safe 300-350 but not real sure the route to take just yet as I have never messed with a RE motor nor read anything on them. I assume if I think along the lines of a turbo II swap into a 1st gen then I would be on track.
And yes, I watch directfreak's dyno video alot.
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I'm not going to speak for everyone here but it's a good idea to swap the exhaust sleeves on the RE; they are restrictive and cannot be ported because they are hollow.

I found a busted set of FD irons and had my engine builder remove the sleeves and install them in my RE block.
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Originally Posted by Dysfnctnl85
I'm not going to speak for everyone here but it's a good idea to swap the exhaust sleeves on the RE; they are restrictive and cannot be ported because they are hollow.

I found a busted set of FD irons and had my engine builder remove the sleeves and install them in my RE block.
I did swap mine out, when I ported the engine. Less than
10,000 miles later - One of the pins fell out and the sleeve was hanging out the side and *almost* into the turbo.

I thought my Turbo was blown, but I was lucky that I had a piece
of sleeve stuck in my exhaust manifold, and was blocking the flow to the turbo. It was REALLY close.

I wouldn't bother messing with the sleeves, unless you have to.

When I put her back together now, I will be sleeveless altogether,
since I don't want different levels of back-pressure between the two rotors (one with sleeve/one without).
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Originally Posted by Dysfnctnl85
I'm not going to speak for everyone here but it's a good idea to swap the exhaust sleeves on the RE; they are restrictive and cannot be ported because they are hollow.

I found a busted set of FD irons and had my engine builder remove the sleeves and install them in my RE block.
actually there is some evidence that the smaller sleeves might be better. there are a couple of reasons, the FD/FC sleeves are too big, there have been a few people to make smaller ones, and power goes UP. the MFR ports are a smaller outlet than the stock FC/FD too.

secondly the stock sleeves have some anti reversion properties, and its untested but maybe the cosmo is better than the FD?
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Originally Posted by Dysfnctnl85
I have a 13b-RE as well.
I will look and see if you have a buildup post, thanks.


Basically my RE motor is stock minus turbo's, flywheel, and will have either 720's or 1200's injectors in secondaries. Will swap front cover to a S4, oil pan can stay due to having RE-speed front cradle but might swap it out later when I build the motor.
Want to get running first.......

Might go carb'ed NA for now until I figure what ECU and configuration to go with.
Not sure if I want to toss on my S5 turbo or my FD twins.
Car is a cruiser/driver and weekend autocross car.
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Originally Posted by RW-7
really like the rear spoiler!
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93 FD (Tweakit Tuned), 79 SA (ReSpeed car), 80 SA ITA/IT7, 77 REPU,
Which car you planning to install this into?

You need an S3 Front cover and GSL-SE Oil pan.
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Originally Posted by Directfreak
Which car you planning to install this into?

You need an S3 Front cover and GSL-SE Oil pan.
My 79 SA. I have been getting here ready for a turbo II swap. Got the tranny and drive shaft almost done. Had the shifter location shortened to fit the sa hole.
GSL-SE rear end, complete Re-Speed car so really dont have to use a SE oil pan but will swap it out anyhow. Have a brand new S4 waterpump housing and S2 front cover. Will really have to decide on what ECU to run.

Car handles awesome but needs power. Pulled the 12a out to go turbo. Since I got the RE motor the Turbo II motor will most likely end up in the REPU.
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Very nice. I have a chance to pick one up for a decent price but not going to. It would be a whole other swap. I'm sticking to TII.
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I have one, too. Not sure how much power I have, however the butt dyno says it's pretty quick. I got the Dynolicious App for my i-phone, so I can get a HP estimate once I weigh the car.

I just added water/methanol injection. Since I've blown the motor once, I'm trying to avoid a repeat performance.

As for the exhaust sleeves: I have a hard time believing that the -RE parts make more power than the -REW ones. If you look at them side by side, you'll immediately see why.


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