6port streetport?
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6port streetport?
Is it worth it to streetport an SE 6port motor? Many say that it makes no sense while other say differently. How much should improvement over stock should I expect?
Thanks, Ed
Thanks, Ed
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I'm with purple82 on this one.
Racing Beat seems to be the only company that is die hard opposed to porting six-ports, and even though they have a valid point, that you can't port six-ports as extensively as four-ports, there is still room for improvement.
If you have the motor apart any way, it is deffinatley worth porting a six-port, but if peak power is what you are going for (top end) then a four-port is ultimatley capable of making more than a six.
Atkins built me a ported six port and belive they advertised a 15-20% hp gain over a similar stock port 13B
-- Alex
Racing Beat seems to be the only company that is die hard opposed to porting six-ports, and even though they have a valid point, that you can't port six-ports as extensively as four-ports, there is still room for improvement.
If you have the motor apart any way, it is deffinatley worth porting a six-port, but if peak power is what you are going for (top end) then a four-port is ultimatley capable of making more than a six.
Atkins built me a ported six port and belive they advertised a 15-20% hp gain over a similar stock port 13B
-- Alex
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Streetporting a 6-port engine is very worthwhile! I've done a few and the results were spectacular. For example, my 2001 Grassroots Challenge car was a GSL-SE with the rebuilt stock block, except with an agressive streetport (aka "rally port") with the 6-port sleeves removed and Teflon inserts used to radius the end of the runners. This car ran a 14.7 quarter mile...and this was with the stock exhaust manifold and stock cat back (just a cat replacement pipe), and completely stock intake and EFI. This was with it falling on its face mid-track due to fuel starvation (stock fuel pump and non-gsl-se fuel pickup). Here are some pics of the porting:
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I'm with purple82 on this one.
Racing Beat seems to be the only company that is die hard opposed to porting six-ports, and even though they have a valid point, that you can't port six-ports as extensively as four-ports, there is still room for improvement.
I'm with purple82 on this one.
Racing Beat seems to be the only company that is die hard opposed to porting six-ports, and even though they have a valid point, that you can't port six-ports as extensively as four-ports, there is still room for improvement.
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As stated by others in this thread, there is also the possiblity of porting ONLY the '6'-ports, such as what one rebuilder currently does. This allows you to easily pass emissions testing without the porting job becoming obvious, since the '6'-ports never open during the standard idle, acceleration, and cruise tests.
I plan to have my rebuild ported on both intake and exhaust side to squeeze every bit of power out of the SE engine using the stock intake with cold and ram air, plus RB exhaust system (presilencer and PP muffler).
If you're going to rebuild with someone, I don't see why you wouldn't for about $200 more than the rebuild, and that's paying for their expertise in doing the job, not the complexity of it. HTH,
I plan to have my rebuild ported on both intake and exhaust side to squeeze every bit of power out of the SE engine using the stock intake with cold and ram air, plus RB exhaust system (presilencer and PP muffler).
If you're going to rebuild with someone, I don't see why you wouldn't for about $200 more than the rebuild, and that's paying for their expertise in doing the job, not the complexity of it. HTH,
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Is it possibel to get rid of the bit of metal between the upper and lower ports so as to make a sort of 4 port motor? Or is that just a stupid idea? Just curious. It then occurs to me too that you could use a turbo 2 motor as a naturally aspirated 4 port motor if you just used higher compression rotors like the 89-92 variety and street port that.
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How many miles on you adkins rebuild? Did you ever put it on a dyno to see just how mush extra you got out of it?
Originally Posted by Alex-7
I'm with purple82 on this one.
Racing Beat seems to be the only company that is die hard opposed to porting six-ports, and even though they have a valid point, that you can't port six-ports as extensively as four-ports, there is still room for improvement.
If you have the motor apart any way, it is deffinatley worth porting a six-port, but if peak power is what you are going for (top end) then a four-port is ultimatley capable of making more than a six.
Atkins built me a ported six port and belive they advertised a 15-20% hp gain over a similar stock port 13B
-- Alex
Racing Beat seems to be the only company that is die hard opposed to porting six-ports, and even though they have a valid point, that you can't port six-ports as extensively as four-ports, there is still room for improvement.
If you have the motor apart any way, it is deffinatley worth porting a six-port, but if peak power is what you are going for (top end) then a four-port is ultimatley capable of making more than a six.
Atkins built me a ported six port and belive they advertised a 15-20% hp gain over a similar stock port 13B
-- Alex
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[QUOTE=xrotaryguy]Is it possibel to get rid of the bit of metal between the upper and lower ports so as to make a sort of 4 port motor? Or is that just a stupid idea? QUOTE]
I've seen the primary and secondary ports joined all the way through the housing. It's done on engines that don't need to run at lower speeds. The ports end out too big for street cars.
I've seen the primary and secondary ports joined all the way through the housing. It's done on engines that don't need to run at lower speeds. The ports end out too big for street cars.
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Originally Posted by Fire85GSLSE
How many miles on you adkins rebuild? Did you ever put it on a dyno to see just how mush extra you got out of it?
I'm hoping for in the 160's at the wheels, wish me luck......
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Going along with the conversation here has anyone completely removed the 5/6 port sleeves that open and close? To anyone who has how did the car run? I would think similar to a 4pt STPort.
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Originally Posted by capri93
Going along with the conversation here has anyone completely removed the 5/6 port sleeves that open and close? To anyone who has how did the car run? I would think similar to a 4pt STPort.
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Originally Posted by Blake
Streetporting a 6-port engine is very worthwhile! I've done a few and the results were spectacular. For example, my 2001 Grassroots Challenge car was a GSL-SE with the rebuilt stock block, except with an agressive streetport (aka "rally port") with the 6-port sleeves removed and Teflon inserts used to radius the end of the runners. This car ran a 14.7 quarter mile...and this was with the stock exhaust manifold and stock cat back (just a cat replacement pipe), and completely stock intake and EFI. This was with it falling on its face mid-track due to fuel starvation (stock fuel pump and non-gsl-se fuel pickup). Here are some pics of the porting:
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Mine's still got all of the emissions controls and a Bonez cat running through a 2.5 exhaust with RB headers and muffler. It's pretty damn loud. Not Honda loud though, the sound is very rich. I like it but at full throttle it can be kind of embarassing. It idles at 850-900 rpm with some very minor lope.
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I understand that 4pts can be ported more extensivly, but I already have a six port thats in very good condition. I plan on a 4 pt but I'll make do with what I currantly have for now.
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Does anyone know if the SE would pass smog on stock everything except for ported 6ports? And in CA with the new rolling dyno smog? This would be nice to know as I'm getting a lot of engine experience...
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Originally Posted by 1984special
Does anyone know if the SE would pass smog on stock everything except for ported 6ports? And in CA with the new rolling dyno smog? This would be nice to know as I'm getting a lot of engine experience...
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