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Old Jul 18, 2015 | 02:21 PM
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12a rebuild questions

1. Oil pressure mod- is crushing down the rear pressure regulator all that is needed for the 12a? I've read that brings psi up to about 90... Do I have to shim the front up as well? If so how much?
2. Do I need or should I change to a later model oil pump?
3. Flywheel- my engine is from a 1980, I have it's original flywheel plus another from a 1982/83... Any benefit from using the 82/83? If I swap due to lighter weight do I need to use the counterweight for the one I use?
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Old Jul 18, 2015 | 02:30 PM
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1. Yep, just do the rear. Doing the front will make pressure even higher, not necessary for a street car.

2. Go for it if you can, but not hugely important. Any 83-85 will work.

3. The counterweight is built into OEM flywheels, so no swapping.
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Old Jul 18, 2015 | 02:57 PM
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OK, thanks for the info. I actually have a later 80's (82/83) model 12A and my 1980. The 1980 has a lot of chrome flake on the housings so I am using the later housings to rebuild it. So I figured if the later model oil pump and flywheel provide some upgrade I would use them on the rebuild.

Also, can any engine building machine shop re-surface our flywheels? What is expected cost for this?

I just placed an order through Atkins for my rebuild kit...
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Old Jul 18, 2015 | 03:49 PM
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Also, can any engine building machine shop re-surface our flywheels? What is expected cost for this?

I just placed an order through Atkins for my rebuild kit...[/QUOTE]


Any shop can resurface the flywheel. I paid $45 a few months to get mine resurfaced.
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Old Jul 18, 2015 | 04:01 PM
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From: https://www2.mazda.com/en/100th/
Originally Posted by 350xfire
2. Do I need or should I change to a later model oil pump?
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the pump you want had 17.5mm wide rotors, so you should measure yours. use the biggest one, or the best condition one.
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Old Jul 18, 2015 | 04:03 PM
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I weighed the flywheels and one is 34lbs while the other one is 8 lbs lighter at 26 lbs...
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Old Jul 18, 2015 | 04:09 PM
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Originally Posted by 350xfire
3. Flywheel- my engine is from a 1980, I have it's original flywheel plus another from a 1982/83... Any benefit from using the 82/83? If I swap due to lighter weight do I need to use the counterweight for the one I use?
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please keep in mind, 1982 flywheels are completely different from 1983.

if i recall, the breakdown for 12A cars goes something like:

1979-80 - 215mm, something like 30 pounds
1981-82 - 215 mm, lighter than 30, but don't know the approximate weight off-hand
1983-85 - 225 mm, not sure on weight for these either

i believe the '81-'82 units can go on the SA engines with no consequence, but the '83+ will introduce issues.

there are a few posts floating around here, where you can get better info. search flywheel and use either Siraniko or J9fd3s in the criteria ... OR ... you can check Mazdatrix's site.
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Old Jul 18, 2015 | 04:40 PM
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Thanks... The two flywheels look significantly different. The backside on the 80 is really thick vs the other one is thin.
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From: https://www2.mazda.com/en/100th/
the flywheels are thus:

76-82 rotors: which can be ID'd by the F or R stamp in the combustion recess, front or rear

79-80 flywheel, 30# feels like 300, you could keep an ocean liner from floating away.
81-82 flywheel, 23# perfect!

83-85 rotors: these are stamped in the combustion recess, the US rotors are NF and NR, for non turbo Front and non turbo rear. the turbo rotors are TF and TR

83-85 flywheel, 26# it is NOT COMPATIBLE with the 76-82 rotor weights.

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Old Jul 19, 2015 | 02:06 PM
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Thanks for the info, looks like I have an 83 at 26#
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Old Jul 19, 2015 | 02:12 PM
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Thanks for the info, looks like I have an 83 at 26#
it is not compatible with the 79-82 rotors
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Old Jul 19, 2015 | 07:43 PM
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Yeah... Thanks for the info!
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