DivinDriver

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Ray, mi amigo, I spent 8 months of nights and weekends, and a lot more money than an illicit "hookup" would have cost me, to make my -7 pass Cali smog.

I'm responsible as hell... I just can't abide busybody activist-****'s that try playing enviro-holier-than-thou-cop by lecturing people in parking lots or looking disapprovingly at you and declaring "your car smells", as with the stories related above.

"Go to hell and mind your own damn business!" is the most polite response such a person should expect.

It's just another form of fascism, whether it serves some arguable "greater good" or not.

Absolutely with you in that we should keep our cars running as well as we are able, given their age and technology... but the bottom line is that the emissions of ONE person's car, or even the lifetime emissions of the number of cars represented by the entire membership of this site, doesn't amount to a beer fart in a whirlwind when measured against one day's emissions from the factories of China... or the weekly methane production of the US Cattle Fleet.

The "clean" diesel and "clean" ethanol fuels that are so lovingly forwarded by the AGW crowd produce prodigious amounts of CO2, too. In fact, the entire combustion byproduct of burning ethanol is water vapor (a greenhouse gas) and CO2 (a greenhouse gas.)

Exactly.

And even more so; I have heard it said that the production, delivery and eventual scrappage/reprocessing of a brand-new Prius and all its subsystems (including the hypertoxic mining and production processes involved in making and recycling the battery packs) will produce far more toxic pollution that will the average operation of an already-in-service "regular" car over the same service lifetime.

By maintaining my old car in good order from recycled, already-made parts, I'm REDUCING pollution, compared to scrapping it and buying a hybrid.

ray green

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DD, I'm with you 100%, I think that woman was out of line and down right obnoxious. I can see why somebody might want to blow a little rotary smoke in her face.

But two wrongs don't make a right. We are being environmentally conscious by keeping our old cars running, out of the land fills and well tuned - even without a cat a rotary can rate very well on emissions if it's running well. It might hurt the auto industry a little bit because we aren't buying a new car every year like some capitalist pigs, but I've about had it with the auto industry and capitalists, so here's some smoke in their faces too.

I'm getting 23-24 mpg in a 25 year old car that gets me to work everyday, a 110 mile round trip. I might add 1/2 quart of oil between oil changes every 3-5000 miles, but in my book that's not burning oil, especially compared to most 25 year old boingers. And to the Prius owners, I'd say it would be better to buy a GSL and take the extra $20,000 you paid for the Prius and use it for a good cause, like feeding folks in Darfur, fighting child prostitution or sending it to me.

It's time we showed folks that rotaries are ecofriendly!

Super82

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As long as we are on the topic, I think you are being more environmentally friendly by driving an older vehicle. I don't have numbers, but I know that there are a ton of unused cars and trucks laying around. Rather than buying a new car which causes the need for more manufacturing, shipping, and mining, buy an older unused car. Just my thought of the day.

And yeah, I've head many people say that by the time the process is all said and done, the prius causes way more pollution than other vehicles. I've read up on it a bit and it pretty much goes both ways, but yeah there are some things to think about there.

'87 turbo II

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Luckily no one has bothered me about my car smelling funny, or being loud, or shooting fire, or burning oil. I'm sure it'll happen some day, then I'll just tell them about how it's getting fixed soon

RX-7 Chris

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I really am environmentally friendly. I would have never done that to anyone else. My car runs great and doesn't smoke at all, it just smells like a rotary. The motor only has about 10k or so on it, has no oil leaks, and is tuned right. I don't know why she singled me out when there was probably at least one car out of the 150 in the parking lot that where ten times worse. I see cars every day that spew blue smoke out the back that you can see for at least a half mile. I burn about a half quart every 3k. My car gets 18 mpg in town and 27 on the highway and that is with a large SP.

I agree with not going out of your way to ruin the environment. Do your part by not littering, etc. Littering is one thing that really gets to me. I'm actually in the process of becoming LEED certified. But when someone goes out of there way to judge me, that plain pisses me off.

OneRotor

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Water vapor isn't a huge concern as far as it being a greenhouse gas, as the atmosphere is more than capable of regulating it's water vapor concentration through rain. The point of the "clean" diesel fuel is to reduce sulfur emissions in the form of SO2, etc. SO2 is one of the main components of acid rain. The "clean" diesels are getting better, with urea catalysts, etc.

vipergts_3

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since this is a environmental issue of sorts... let me share some vids with you guys.
i personally dont belive in global warming. i mean how often is a weather man correct on a forcast ?? then they say we are all the problem...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2cU-bVSAhw8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yIPTAUofWa8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PRc33Ow2di0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FOnEzk-41po
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XDI2NVTYRXU

ray green

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He's been right all this week, in the low 70's today, got to haul off some of that cedar the snow took down.

Global warming is just happening, you don't need to believe in it, just deal with it.

blackdeath647

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just to celebrate global warming, i think we should all go out this saturday at 2pm (eastern time) and do some spirited drives with seafoam , actually i don't even know if it is dangerous for the environment or not. i'm too lazy to do the chemistry. and don't have a can around in case they've already done it.

DivinDriver

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But the global temperature has been dropping since 2001...

Didn't you know? They changed the name to "climate change" so that people wouldn't realize that it's getting colder...

Hyper4mance2k

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i'm going to die in 40 years, and every year the moom gets 2" further away from the earth. (it keeps us on our axis and controls most of our tides. )Oh and don't forget that thanks to fission the sun gets bigger and hotter everyday. If we stopped all polution on earth today scientists estimate that life cannot exist here for anymore than another 10,000-20,000 years anyway, so why not have fun while I'm here.
100% true if you really look into it there isn't 1 piece of evidence that says global warming is infact happining because of our contributions. The earth has warming and cooling cycles and there is no way for us to tell what cycle we are in because we have only really acuratly recorded weather for 150 years. Don't forget the earth has had 2 ice ages just since man (Homo Sapiens Sapiens) has been on the planet. That's 2 iceages in only 40,000 years.

vipergts_3

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well in the late 70's early 80's we were supposedly going into an ice age...
idk, i do like the way they changed the name to be more trendy.

Super82

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As much as I would like to try and aviod a debate here, as a student of Atmospheric and Oceanic sciences, I feel I have an obligation to clear up some things.

Untrue. While I'm sure that there could be radical sources who might say something like that, I doubt any significant number of scientists would say that. While this is all speculative, most experts believe that the earth should conceiviably be habitable for another 4 billion years or so. The sun is due to blow up within the next 5-6 billion, and in about 4 billion it will be a much different animal, but it shouldn't be the direct demise of the Earth for much longer to come.

At any rate, even if humans were to wreck this planet as much as possible life would still carry on. New species would form and new life would carry on. 10,000-20,000 years the planet will still be clicking along. Keep in mind all our planet has been thru, a small increase in temperature and a loss of a moon won't kill everything. It could be the end of our stay here, but I'd bet that we'll have bigger things to worry about then.

We have only been keeping a direct record for 150 years, but we have a stored record of more than 400,000 in the icecaps. Iceages do happen for various reasons, and looking at our record we should be going into an iceage, but yet the global temp is rising.

The earth relies on our atmosphere for heating. Without greenhouse gasses there would be none of this, and we'd be at 100* during the day and -100* at night, like our moon. The simple fact is that CO2 is the number one gas for the transmission and storage of heat, and ever since the industrial revolution we have been increasing this. CO2 levels today are almost double that of what they were before the industrial revolution. Any third grader can predict the outcome here. The Earth is going to ge warmer, and it has.

Partly true. The official name of the theory has been changed to 'climate change', but not because the average temp is decreasing. The global mean temperature is going up and has been for many years. I trust as a diver yourself you are aware of NOAA



Yet unexplained to us, directly as the temperature at the equator goes up, other parts of the world goes down. It is a complex relation that we can't quite comprehend. Therefore, rather than blanketing it as a 'warming', it is called a change. As the mean temp goes up the climate is going to change in various ways everywhere. The warmest years in our traceable record have been in the last ten years.

And I'll leave you with this. I say Ray summed it up well, it isn't a matter of believing. Wether you believe it or not the Earth is warming. Wether you believe it or not the amount of CO2, our most significant green house gas, is rising. And wether you believe it or not we are the cause of the rise in CO2. Believe what you want, but know that those are the facts.

Hyper4mance2k

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Sorry i should've been clear I learned in astrology 201 that if the suns growth doesn't have the earth too hot for human life within 10-20k years, the moon will have rotated away from us enough that we will wobble on our axis 1-2 degrees giving us random seasons and making the planet uninhabital for humans. The last two years were the coldest and longest winters with the greatest snowfall in Washington state history. nothing warming here... When I was in college all every science teacher was talking about was how washington was going to be the next nappa valley and we're going to have weather similar to Northern california by 2010, and here we are in 2009 with the two coldest years on record... I do feel that since the indusrtial revolution we have imposed on the planet and things are changing, but life can't go on forever here, and our influences cannot stop the inevitable growth of the sun and the disappearance of the moon.

Super82

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Its been cold in MN too. I'm not don't have the numbers but I think they are the same as your's, the past two have been the coldest on record. However, Washington and Minnesota make up two very small climates on the global scale. And just as it gets cold uneducated people pull out the same old rhetoric: 'Oh yeah, thats global warming for ya, its -30* out'. And as you mentioned-the climate is changing. The past two years have been abnormally cold. Doesn't this suggest something to you? The Earth is dynamic and isn't going to just proportionally go up every where, due to ocean currents, wind currents, and then the lack thereof there are many possible outcomes for localities, but the point is that it will cause a Change.

Edit-@ your edit, I've never heard that but that sounds possbile. But to say it would be inhabitable for all life is still false, as life would adapt. Also, I don't know how drastic they are talking about, but I'm sure humans are capable of handling a bit of unpredictable weather. I dunno, by then I'm sure we'll have something figured out, but your point rings true-how much longer will we be using this planet anyways?

84rtaryrcket

global warm my ****, we got more snow this year then in the last 5 years. come on it snowed in texas this year, am i wrong? glombal warming is a hoax, maybe one day it will be true but we had a 60 degree day in february and then got 6 inches the following morning.

Hyper4mance2k

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Well I guess we should always try to keep this place going cause maybe we can take our water and atmosphere to mars in 10,000 years! But then again everyone would want to live on the equater for the heat. The poles would be baron in their eternal winter. Could you imagine buying property there now. Oh how the property value would increase in 10,000 years woot woot!! Then again Esqimo's might want to live on teh poles... LOL! I'm halarious! And you're right not all life would die, just the important ones. US lOL! who cares about micro orginizms that live in LAva

80's old school

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This lady prolly just needs to get laid..............

comet909

If you get hassled about your stinky exhast or a little smoke coming from your tail pipe, just tell them. "what do you expect, it runs on coal?"

OneRotor

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agreed

blackdeath647

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she wanted a ride in that car with the funky smells and the weird sounding engine

RX-7 Chris

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wow this went down hill fast

80's old school

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Well good lord...we just wanna have a little fun! If I wanted all this rhetoric about global warming and PETA and all I would be on Al Gore's forum instead of this one!!!

It's spring break!!! Let your hair down!!

orion84gsl

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Hey it was warm enough in Southern Ontario last year that I could go outside and work on the stereo with a sweater on. Previous years I would have been buried in 2-3 feet of snow and sitting at a balmy -20*C. Yeah things may get bad in 100 years or whatever, but I'll be dead. Sure I want my future children to have a good, long, happy life, but the beauty of death is the second you die, whether you want to or not, you stop caring.

Jeezus

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I premix heavily. It doesn't smoke out the pipe, having only 20k on the engine right now. Only comments I get are nice flames from a kid and a "you don't see those anymore" from a harley rider.


PS: Driving a Prius is many times worse for the environment than a rotary.
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