doridori-rx7

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regarding the Haltech setup of the primary coil . Black goes to the condensor, has anyone tried anyof the digital graound sytems , ( SUN , Apexi..ect. ) as an alternative way to reduce possible ground noise. If so, how does it compare to the OEM condensor ?? ...

RETed

Digital Ground Systems?
Are you getting scammed by all those overpriced "hyper ground" kits?


-Ted

doridori-rx7

iTrader: (3)

.. I try my best to filter you out.. sometimes it filters through though.. I'm sure, you, as an avid ebayer involved with the under $20 shopping catagory , that would be the case, but thier are actually very well made ' ground systems' that do actually improve/clean up. ground signals and thereby improve dwell time recharge at high rpm.

Perhaps you might try to be helpful instead of full of yourself.

RETed

You can take it for whatever it's worth.
Hell, you can put me on ignore for all I care.
I'm not a mod, so the forum should be able to do that.

A ground is a ground is a ground.
An electrical connection is an electrical connection is an electrical connection.

These so-called "Hyper" "Digital" Grounding Systems are overpriced wires and connectors.

I don't know what you consider "very well made", but I use stuff from major online electronics parts stores, Home Depot, and the local welding shop.
Home Depot sells copper grounding "lugs".
These can easily accomodate up to 2/0 wire.
They sell for about $1 each.

Generic, large gauge electrical connectors I get from Parts Express online.
Although I opt for the Phoenix Gold stuff, Parts Express does sell generic version for a lot less.

Welding cable is the trick we use for big audio systems without paying the premium for the name-brand (i.e. Monster) power cabling.
My 1/0AWG welding cable was only $1 / foot.
1/0AWG cable is thicker than your thumb.

Now, those "hyper digital" grounding kits are just a bunch of wires and connectors.
Some are gold plated which makes you think you're getting something special.
If you're into gold plating, by all means, go for it.
What I'm saying that the gold plating is not necessary.
My 1/0AWG grounding cable is just as good, if not better, than those overpriced grounding kits, period.
I paid approximately $20 to ground everything.

If you feel you need to pay $100+ for their ground kit, be my guest.
In my opinion, I think it's overpriced.
I don't buy things to look pretty under my hood; I tend to buy things that actually work - cheaper the better; I'm not rich.


-Ted

13BT510

the OEM suppressor often does not have a great deal of affect on anything - worst case scenario is you will hear a soft buzzing noise through your stereo speakers when the volume is low. The suppressor (condensor) is just a capacitor (more or less) that tries to drown out high frequency noise.
While an aftermarket grounding kit is of some value it will not help this problem (if indeed you are going to have a problem).
If you wanted to make your own grounding kit usewire that has as many strands as possible (rule of thumb here is the more strands the more current it will carry, the thicker the strands the more voltage it will carry).

Hope that helps.

Phil

doridori-rx7

iTrader: (3)

I already run very high quality audio 0ga wire for the main 12V and main ground lines, with 4ga as the alt and starter cable and 8ga as the grounds from the block, tranny... and most of the ground points in the car.. I'm not an electrical eng. however I have spoken with a few about the higher end products and YES they do work, it's more then just a daisy chain of home theater wire put in a pretty box. like say the HKS earth system or the many copies oneby, it's actualy a line conditioner.. again I'm not an electrical eng. but I've seen these work.

Eitherway if it's not going to rally help the situation I'll get an industrail 1/2 farad cap and plug it into the condenser.. the last thing I want is signal noise at 8500rpm.

thanks 13BT

RETed

I'd like to know how a "line conditioner" will work on the ground side of a DCV circuit?

If it has a built-in "noise" filter, that doesn't necessarily means it'll work better.

I still can't see how a "fancy" ground system will make it better than better electrical contact...



-Ted

doridori-rx7

iTrader: (3)

it's a CONDENSOR .. and I've already figured out what I need to use , a >5m Farad cap at @ 30Kva..

thanks for the ' help' ted.. really i mean it..

13BT510

Ahh look here someone else thats cottoned on to the fact the RETed may not be everything he talks himself up to be - makes me laugh.

Anyway a cap will do ya job - or you can buy condensors from your local electronics store for a couple bucks that are nicely cased already.

Good luck with it man

Phil

RETed

Uh, can you explain to me where this CONDENSOR is?

I don't know of any condensor on the leading(?) stock coil?


-Ted

RETed

Yeah, if you're so smart, maybe you can answer the question about where the stock condensor is?
Yeah, I thought so...


-Ted

doridori-rx7

iTrader: (3)

.. you spout off like your the king pissant with the '7 yet you don't know where the condensor is ??

hopefully soon I'll find the tick box to filter out ted.. till then i've put you into the insipid section of the internet dullards I've had to put up with nie these last 15 years or so.

Evil Aviator

Could you guys please convert to American English? In the US, a consenser is the part of the air conditioning system that looks like a small radiator. I don't remember any capacitor in the ignition system, so maybe you mean the ignition coils?

mad_7tist

ted needs to spend a little time with their cars and wiring diagrams. aviator it is on the ground side of the ignitor/harness right under the cruise

Evil Aviator

Ah, the ground capacitor! I thought you were talking about something on the coils, or maybe an aftermarket capacitor on the CAS, lol.

onefastrx7turbo

iTrader: (5)

just to piggyback on this, this part we are talking about just stores grounded voltage? i hate to sound ignorant but i am kinda curious as to what this does...the FSM doesnt really describe it either

RETed

Maybe you'd like to take your own medicine.
This doesn't help answer my questions, and it's a faint-hearted attempt to insult me.

So I ask you again, where the **** is this "condensor"?
I know condensor = capacitor.
Go ahead, put me on ignore but you're not answering my questions in any way.


-Ted

RETed

I think you need to take some your own medicine also.
Cause the cruise control "solenoid" is in the right-hand side, rear corner of the engine bay.
There are NO ignition components mounted on that particular area of the engine bay short of the main engine harness.


-Ted

RETed

No such thing as "stores grounded voltage".
"DCV" or DC voltage just has two polarities - negative and positive.
So, ever DCV circuit or component has a + and a - side.
A "condensor" or capacitor stores potential DCV, and it's always positive DCV.
You cannot store negative voltage or "grounded voltage", since by definition negative = ground = "zero potential".

And, back to the thread, if these idiots are talking about the switching capacitor that is connected to the trailing coil pack, that particular capacitor is used to damp pulses generated by the switching circuit within the trailing ignitior.
There is an identical capacitor used to damp the oil pressure sensor, since the oil pressure tends to pulse due the to design of the oil pump (output).

There is no capacitor that is connected to the leading coil pack from the factory.

But, they are so busy trying to insult me and talk down to me to confirm that they are wrong...


-Ted

doridori-rx7

iTrader: (3)

.. for ted the 3 year old who seems to think that every single thread that isin't directed at him , still somehow should involve him and his infinite arrogance, ( closely related to his monumental lack of social skills). I suppose your head is too far up your hole to notice that everywhere you go, your NOT making friends..

a ' condensor' cleans the high feq. noise coming from the coil at high rpm, acting as a type of filter in this case the condensor is not included in most rx7 however the leading coil has the black non terminated lead that is for diagnostic and in this case a condensor as well.. in which a small, high voltage cap to ground is the solution.

Evil Aviator

Thread Closed - Please try again if you think you can be civil.

silverrotor

iTrader: (1)

Just to add...

I've PM'd Ted to let him know where I stand. So I hope all goes well from here on In.

As for doridori-rx7, ie. PPC-Racing, ie. Silverpain - you are not hard to find In a Club of 53,476 members - regardless of what username you choose to pose under. You are back on my cockeye list.