silverflash2

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Why do jspec motors cost 1800 with no core and usually are a long block you can sell parts off it,and some come with a tranny,some come with with a compression test and most come with a 30 day warrenty for that price,yet used motors here go for what a new reman cost almost. Yeah you can advertise you save a 1000 dollars from mazda,but most peole have a blown core so that doesn't apply for the majority of people on here. Yeah certain persons who buys rollers with no motor, would save 1000, but atleast you get a 2 year / 30,000 miles warrenty.Most prices on here for a low mile core go for 2200 and up. So why do people think by lowering the price by $400 from a new rebuilt engine is a deal. You might be buying a used core with good compression,but there is a unknown history of break in and abuse and there is no WARRENTY.So i guess these prices people sell them for is good for people who have no core, and it would save them 1000. I bet most people on this forum with blown motors have a core, And we all know what mazda reman. reused specs aren't that great. I think the engines on here should not be priced on not giving mazda a core. But ofcourse it's up to the seller.

It is very risky to give thousnds of dollars to people on the internet,to people out of state,trust their word on mileage,yeah compression test helps that,but to take that chance of getting ripped off, or getting a item as not described, or not stored right, to save a few hundred dollars is insane and no warrenty.Even the compression test can be fake. Don't get me wrong there is a few people here that sell alot of stuff and have good reputation,but the majority only have a few document sales,and probably not as risky as giving $2200. I'll never have a motor for sale, since i love the rotary and won't dump it for a Ls1, so i'll always have a core,but if i did, i'd price it different then what i've seen them on here for. I just wanted to post this, to see if i'm totally wrong, or more people agree. I think people try to get the most money for there engine based on advertising it as saving 1000, so they can get 2200 or more for their LS1.

I do feel there's a different value on used motors rebuilt by performance shops.

rynberg

They ask those prices because they can get them. Supply and demand. What's the point of this post?

JDM motors are used up engines with 40k+ miles generally. If you think they have a warranty, well, I've got some land in FL to see you.

You are comparing those engines to a low mileage barely broken-in block from Fritz....

silverflash2

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Point.... Why are they being priced so high. I would like to by a used motor to save some money since i need 2 motors, and all i'm finding is prices close to a reman. What is the reasoning they are priced so close to a new reman?Why people risk saving a few hundred dollars buying it used then getting a new reman with a warrenty.I don't understand. If people stop paying these prices,hopefully the prices would get better.The oversea thing is an example, i wouldn't go that route myself, yah they say 30,000 - 40K but as long as they are compression checked and the # are good, it's in the same class and you get all the extra stuff to sell to make the cost lower. Plus a little warrenty knowing you would atleast get another motor if things went bad.I agree there are some oversea engine places that don't do as good busniness as others,but there are some. Some engine demantles here in the US also.

i'm not comparing any certain seller, i see engines with 1000 miles to 30K go for the same 2200 price and up.

It's seems cheaper to just buy the rebuild kit, and you usually just need one housing.
If i could find a motor close to that value,it would be so worth it,but i guess i'll just get a rebuild kit or a new reman.

FDokinawa

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im sure a lot of JDM engines probably have high miles. but dont think all of them do. that web rumor about the japanese having to get rid a car at 30k miles, is just plain wrong. Its just a way for the seller to trick you into thinking the engine your getting is low miles. now, if the engine is proven to come from a newer FD, then yea, it probably has low miles. Majority of the japanese dont drive their cars nearly as much as americans do, so most cars, even older ones tend to have lower than average milage on them over here.

But as far as prices on engines go.. yea, supply and demand.

93FD3S

So its a myth that in Japan they have to replace there motors at about 30-40K? I had always thought it was true because they would get taxed if they didn't change out the motor. I mean a see a flood of JDM motors on the market, so I figured it was true. So what is the truth?

FDokinawa

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that is a total myth. The japanese are required to get a manditory inspection done on their cars every 2 years. Along with this inspection, they must also purchase compulsionary insurace(JCI). In the inspection they check engine and VIN number against the title. They do a stringent safty inspection.. ie, brakes, side slip, headlights, blinkers, wipers ect. They also do a smog check. The whole process, including the insurace, cost the japanese around $2-5K. You add that into the cost of maintaining an older car, and the fact that the car might only be worth a couple thousand dollars and it makes sence to get a new car.

A new car dosnt need to get JCIed for 3 years. Plus there are a lot of super cheap economy cars over here.

So all those 30K engines that are being sold.. guarentee 99% of them have WAY more than that on them.

rynberg

Point answered -- because they can. I have not seen $2200 for anything except Fritz's motor he was selling a week ago. Are you sure you are only looking at small blocks?

slo

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I have personally bought 2 13b-re cosmo engines with over 100PSI compression, soft flexible, un-discolered new looking wiring harness's, and soft non hardened OEM vaccum hose.

Perhaps a cosmo is more likley to have low miles because its a luxury car, but it is true that JDM engines are ocasionally very low mileage like the ones I picked up.

FDokinawa

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yep.. can happen. Japanese tend to take the train if they can, so cars are used more for recreational purposes.

Mahjik

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You are also forgetting labor. While the part prices may be cheap, labor isn't always cheap. Sure, if you compare getting a rebuild kit and you doing your own labor (provided you don't need to replace anything else), you are looking at much less than $2200. However, then you need to put a price on your time.

Is it worth your time to spend a few days soaking engine parts and scrubbing them clean? Its it worth your time to spend time measuring every piece to see if its within spec? If you buy an already built motor, you are also paying for someone else's time to have already done those things, not just the parts themselves.

pogoism9

until manufacturers stop anally raping people for internal parts, prices are gonna be high. I can't see why 12 tiny pieces of steel (2 piece apex seals) would cost well over 200 dollars....I can see rotor housings being expensive, but they murder you on seals, springs, etc...

silverflash2

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Alot of them are small blocks ,but long blocks seem to be priced the same sometimes.
I've been looking for a motor for over a year. I've asked 2000 for shortblocks from many seller and get turned down everytime. I'm not just comparing recent motor sales.

I understand supply and demand, but mazda seems to still repoduce remans, so there's still alot of supply.

But 2600 for a new reman with warrenty
or
2200 or so for a used small or long block.
I've also seen new remans for cheaper than 2600,but not by much.
Seems like common sense, spend a few hundred more for the insurance.
I can't believe people think it's worth saving 400 on going used,there's is so many more negative things then postive, by going that route for such little savings.
I just find the used motor prices are rediculous. But i guess that's what to expect when you own a rx7.I guess if people pay it ,then it must be worth it to somebody.

FDokinawa

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ok.. ive got to ask. whats the differance between long and short block??

silverflash2

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Short is just a bare block
Long is all accessory still on it

FDokinawa

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ahh gotcha.

man, you dont even want to know what I can get bare block engines for over here... all goes back to supply and demand. more supply, less demand here.

But yea, your right. Dont see any reason why anyone would pay that much when they can get a reman for a few hundred more.

rynberg

silverflash, I wouldn't pay $2200 for a used engine either....I'm just pointing out the facts, not that I agree with them.

BryanDowns

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How can you complain that people are selling their engines for xxx?

the reality is, they are advertising (and selling) them for that price because there are people out there willing to pay it.

I can personally GARANTEE there arent too many people out there that would see something selling for $2k, then when they want to sell the same thing would turn around and advertise it for $1k. That would be financially stupid. In order words, if the going price is $2200, then thats what any sane person would advertise their engine for sale at. To do otherwise would be foolish.

alexdimen

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If you don't like the prices... DON'T BUY IT! That's not a bash, I'm a cheap *** too.

There are plenty of deals out there. Just because some JDM fan boys buy used engines off ebay and get raped doesn't mean you have to.

RotaryResurrection

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The main reason that low mile rebuilds/remans sell for almost as much as the new rebuild/reman itself is due to impatience of rx7 owners and their mistakes. OR, you can call it supply and demand. There are only so many engine builders in the country, and we can never keep up with demand. All builders are almost always behind several weeks worth of work. So, even if you have your $2500 in hand, you still often cannot get an engine for a month. Sometimes even mazda falls behind on production and this is the case with them, too.

So the rx7 owners are always tearing their **** up faster than the builders can fix it, but they dont want to wait, so the few used engines floating around fetch almost the same value because the person can simply buy it and bolt it in within a week's time rather than wait on one to be built. You're paying for the convenience of it.

Jspec engines are just japanese junkyard engines. Furthermore, we all know the cardinal rule of rotaries is that you do not let them sit for extended periods without rotating or starting them because the seals tend to stick; yet that is exactly what has happened with most of the jspecs. They usually make excellent cores for rebuild, except for the few that come off the boat blown up. I will say this for them, you either get a really good one, or a really shitty one, with not much in between. I've seen ones that looked worse than anything you'd find over here with 150k miles, and I've seen ones that looked like they had less than 10k on them and were still shiny.

djseven

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Im selling a rotaryresurrection fresh rebuild right now for $2300.00 shipped. Do you have a shortblock to send me on trade? If you dont your whole argument has been void. A true reman is $3500.00 without a core. That doesnt make the price of used engines look to bad.

After being at Lander's place when he opened up a Mazda reman with about 5k miles on it to find it had one high compression rotor and one fd rotor, I really wont be buying any remans.

rynberg

Thanks djseven for pulling my head out of my ***.... the answer to the OP's question is "no core charge".

silverflash2

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[QUOTE=djseven]Im selling a rotaryresurrection fresh rebuild right now for $2300.00 shipped. Do you have a shortblock to send me on trade? If you dont your whole argument has been void. A true reman is $3500.00 without a core. That doesnt make the price of used engines look to bad.

What are you talking about. My whole argument is void. I said 2600 with a core or 1000 with out which make it 3600. I'm talking about used engines compared to a price of new. You are offering a fresh motor for the same price a used ones go for. You would think a used one would go for 1800 or so. I don't matter anways,i guess a used motor for me is out of the question, since the prices seem to hold to hold close to new for now.

Natey

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I had my motor rebuilt for around 2g's. Now my VIN numbers still match and my FD runs great! Thanks again Karack.

Find a reputable rotary mechanic and you won't even have to bother with buying another engine.

Mahjik

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I think the other things to consider is what is in the used motor. I would definitely pay for a used Pettit Racing Street ported engine with 3mm seals if it had somewhat low miles. However, I wouldn't buy a used stock ported motor for more than $1000 unless I didn't have a core already.

RotaryResurrection

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Have you *seen* pettit's streetporting? I have.