sommmatt

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Is anyone still selling GSL SE Moser axles?

I've contacted Moser themselves but haven't heard back from them yet, just wondering if anyone knows a source.

Thanks

KansasCityREPU

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I have a complete suspension setup for sale that includes these axles.

https://www.rx7club.com/1st-generati...rsion-1104679/

sommmatt

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Looks like a nice setup unfortunately lots of stuff I don't need or can't use!

RGHTBrainDesign

Check out my reply. Just redrill your GSL axles.

craaaazzy

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keeping an eye on this. what's the reason ur wanting moser axles sommmatt? tried seeing if u had a build thread but did not see one.

sommmatt

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Exploring options for converting the rear of my car to 4x114.3 while still being able to buy parts off the shelf (or next day) if I'm far away from home or I need parts quickly. I don't want to have to find a machine shop willing to redrill brake rotors for me somewhere I'm not familiar or in the middle of nowhere. Additionally the longer axles provide for a larger potential track width which helps keep things even with what I have done in the front of the car.

Finding a complete GSL SE rear end or axles has been futile so far (for a reasonable price), so I was hoping I could still buy off the shelf Moser axles that would solve my problem for me. Not having much luck on that front.

I might have found a complete GSL SE local for basically scrap value since it's been sitting in one spot for god knows how long. Buying that is cheaper than just buying an axle.

craaaazzy

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got it. thought maybe it was due to a swap and power limits of your set up. reason I asked is that i'm trying to figure out if the axles or the diff is the weak point of the rear end.

82transam

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I would imagine the diff is the weak link, but can't comment from experience. I haven't broken either yet, but then again my T2 setup is relatively tame compared to some...

I would not be comfortable redrilling GSL axles to the 4x114.3 pattern, that would place the new holes VERY close to the edge. It might last, but I would not be ok with it...

As for Moser, I saw your for sale thread, and the reply you got from them, I'm very surprised they can't look back in their records and get the ones they used to supply Re-Speed with. You'd think they would still have the specs in their system...

craaaazzy

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good info. i'm only aiming 300 hp with the REW so hopefully will be safe (no hard launches, etc)

sommmatt

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I'm sure if I could contact the right person there I could get the right info. When I initially emailed I definitely mentioned Re-Speed, and the fact that a local car that I know has a set of those axles in it right now, but the person on the other end didn't seem too interested. I understand it's a very small market but every year we have fewer and fewer part sources for these vehicles, so it's unfortunate that this one (maybe at least temporarily) is lost to us for now.

Maybe if Billy sees this he could help us out with who to contact or perhaps old invoice numbers or something, who knows.

sommmatt

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Per Granny's

GSL ring/pinions by math alone are stronger than GSLSE ring/pinions, but probably not enough to make a difference.

craaaazzy

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here's info i found for the moser axles. call them up and see if they can track down by the part numbers provided here:
Custom Axles for 1st gen

i don't know axles so am not sure if the miata torsen makes any difference compared to stock length (in the link it says to shorten the axles by 2mm)

sommmatt

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I had come across that while googling but was unsure if those part numbers relate to "bolt in" axle replacements or if they were something special. Are they 4 bolt or 5 bolt or does that need to be specified upon ordering? Correct number of splines? Proper length out of the box? Seeing as the person who wrote that website updated that page in 2004, I was looking to hopefully verify those numbers on here or get some newer information. 2004 feels like only a few years ago sometimes, but in reality it was 13 years ago. Kill me.

82transam

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If using a Miata diff the axles would need to be shortened, so for your/our purposes no length changes would be made. Otherwise the numbers on that page should still be usable. I agree though, 2004 is an eternity in "internet years".

If I was not in the process of house shopping and had the time/spare cash to do so, I would pull one of my Moser 5 lug's out (got them through Re-speed many years ago) and get someone with accurate measuring tools and knowledge to spec them - and buy a spare set (again, if I had spare cash lol).

I'm not sure how often he comes on here anymore, but MustangHammer (check out his build thread if you haven't already, it's phenomenal) has had a set of Moser axles cut within the last few years, it's possible he has an invoice number you could use as a reference.

Edit: http://www.kcraceware.com/index.htm is another source you can try. I remember hearing of a few guys (maybe it was MustangHammer??) back in the day saying you could get the Moser axles through them. Website is still up and it has a phone number, might be worth a call...

craaaazzy

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been doing some research on axles and diffs. i see user "peejay" has a lot of knowledge about rearends so maybe pm him and ask your question? seems like moser does more custom stuff and doesn't really share past customers' applications.

laundryhamperman

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I just bought axles from moser. They don't keep the re-speed specs. It is easy though, i sent them a stock axle and a brake rotor for the 5x114.3 swap i have, and asked for a reproduction of what i sent and to modify it to fit the new bolt pattern of the rotor i shipped as well. 3 weeks later and $400 i have 2 new axles that fit my GSL axle housing and diff, fit tii brakes and wheels. Call them, tell them what you want, and mail them the sample axle and brake rotor.

They were easy to work with and recommend them to anybody. They even pressed in studs for me so now i use wheel nuts instead of bolts.

Just to elaborate, i have taken the axles, pressed new bearings in, installed in the axle with new seals, and mounted some 5 lug mazda wheels, with my freshly rebuilt lsd and 4.44 ring and pinion, and filled with oil. Everything is solid and am very pleased with the result.

Also on the topic of what fails first, i cant answer that, but i did ship my lsd assembly to a heat treatment facility, cage, spider gears, clutch plates, and ring & pinion, had them all cryotreated. This should reduce the number of metal grain boundaries between austenite and martinsite leading to crack initiation sites or something like that. Anyway, all that and nothing warped and i got all the parts in spec per the manual when i reassembled.

sommmatt

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That's the big problem, if I had sample axles in the first place I wouldn't be looking for other options.

sommmatt

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The information on that miata torsen diff thing website is too vague for me to order using those invoice numbers without 100% knowing they are correct, if they would even make it for me.

No pressure on pulling those axles out, we can all understand the pressures of our daily lives.

I've messaged MustangHammer, (what a build thread, by the way). Maybe he will have some information, but his build thread mentions he ordered through RE-Speed. Who knows.

laundryhamperman

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I have a large and small bearing axle example lying around i could use to assist if you really need it. Both GS/GSL spec, I've read the -SE axles are a little longer to push the wheel out more, but are otherwise the same. I'm not sure if the -SE axle housing is longer either...

ATC529R

mosler makes them, i bought a set last year. you gotta measure them yourselves though and give them the spec's. I actually sent them one side on mine. I believe the mentioned the axled was the same as a chevy 10 bolt rear end, the just shorthen it and change the grooves etc...

sommmatt

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No luck from MustangHammer.

laundryhamperman, the offer is definitely appreciated. However a local guy here also offered to take one of his long term project's axles out to do the same thing, so no worries about that. The SE axles are slightly longer or I could just send my GSL axles in and ask for the changed bolt pattern.

You wouldn't be willing to sell those SE axles would you?

ATC529R

one axles you can drill as it is larger diameter, the other you can't convert as it is smaller. I forget if it's GSL or SE or whatever, but the rear end with the 3.909 gear (mine) can't be drilled , and it is a different length as the one with the 4.1 gear ratio