Wolf 3D Discuss the Wolf 3D Engine Management System

Wolf 3D Is this map ok

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old Mar 14, 2007 | 04:09 PM
  #1  
jcfrx7's Avatar
Thread Starter
Senior Member
Tenured Member 10 Years
 
Joined: Jul 2003
Posts: 296
Likes: 0
From: Port Saint Lucie
Is this map ok

I would like to know if this map is ok to use. Does it have anything wrong with it? My set up is a Turbo 2 engine with stock primatiries and 680cc in secondaries, street port, hybrid turbo, walboro with automotive fpr. The map is for a wolf 3D ver 4.

Thanks
Reply
Old Mar 14, 2007 | 04:11 PM
  #2  
jcfrx7's Avatar
Thread Starter
Senior Member
Tenured Member 10 Years
 
Joined: Jul 2003
Posts: 296
Likes: 0
From: Port Saint Lucie
Ups forgot to attach the map......
Attached Files
Reply
Old Mar 14, 2007 | 05:14 PM
  #3  
CrackHeadMel's Avatar
Learned alot | Alot to go
Tenured Member 20 Years
iTrader: (2)
 
Joined: Apr 2002
Posts: 4,232
Likes: 0
From: Rotaryland, New Hampshire
where did you get that map? the ignition map is very very VERY conservative to the point that egt's would start to go nuts and you would have no power.. unless ofcourse you made it with your cas set somewhere other than zero
Reply
Old Mar 14, 2007 | 08:10 PM
  #4  
jcfrx7's Avatar
Thread Starter
Senior Member
Tenured Member 10 Years
 
Joined: Jul 2003
Posts: 296
Likes: 0
From: Port Saint Lucie
A friend set it up for me. I dont know anything about setting up maps. My plan was to get it running and then taking it to a Dyno and see if someone there knows how to tune it. I would like to lern but I can not find anything like MAPs for dummies or something to that nature.....jajajaj. Anyways the CAs is set up the stock way. I need help.

Thanks
Reply
Old Mar 15, 2007 | 10:31 AM
  #5  
CrackHeadMel's Avatar
Learned alot | Alot to go
Tenured Member 20 Years
iTrader: (2)
 
Joined: Apr 2002
Posts: 4,232
Likes: 0
From: Rotaryland, New Hampshire
if it runs i dont see any reason it woudl be unsafe to drive the car (localy) to a dyno for tunning, just baby it.

as for a tunning for dummies, you can search here but there isnt alot, however seaching EFI 101's site, and innovatemotorsports site will revel some methods but alot of its hands on thats hard to explaine
Reply
Old Mar 15, 2007 | 01:06 PM
  #6  
jcfrx7's Avatar
Thread Starter
Senior Member
Tenured Member 10 Years
 
Joined: Jul 2003
Posts: 296
Likes: 0
From: Port Saint Lucie
Have you seen a better map that I could use in this forum. I know is kind of hard to find someone that is willing to share. Thanks for the input .

Juan
Reply
Old Mar 15, 2007 | 06:02 PM
  #7  
jcfrx7's Avatar
Thread Starter
Senior Member
Tenured Member 10 Years
 
Joined: Jul 2003
Posts: 296
Likes: 0
From: Port Saint Lucie
anybody ....
Reply
Old Mar 16, 2007 | 07:04 AM
  #8  
Michael Smith's Avatar
Rotary Enthusiast
Tenured Member 10 Years
 
Joined: Feb 2004
Posts: 778
Likes: 0
From: North Queensland Australia
Ok I had a look at you map the idle will need work it should be safe to drive if all the injectors work and the timing is zeroed search for ignition zeroing.

You may find a map at http://www.angelfire.com/droid/wolf3dems/ it is a collection of maps and stuff.

Cheers
Michael Smith
Reply
Old Mar 16, 2007 | 08:14 AM
  #9  
jcfrx7's Avatar
Thread Starter
Senior Member
Tenured Member 10 Years
 
Joined: Jul 2003
Posts: 296
Likes: 0
From: Port Saint Lucie
Originally Posted by Michael Smith
Ok I had a look at you map the idle will need work it should be safe to drive if all the injectors work and the timing is zeroed search for ignition zeroing.

You may find a map at http://www.angelfire.com/droid/wolf3dems/ it is a collection of maps and stuff.

Cheers
Michael Smith

So you think the rest of the map is ok. What else should I change on it?

Thanks
Juan
Reply
Old Mar 17, 2007 | 12:01 AM
  #10  
Michael Smith's Avatar
Rotary Enthusiast
Tenured Member 10 Years
 
Joined: Feb 2004
Posts: 778
Likes: 0
From: North Queensland Australia
I have a simlar engine with 1000cc secondies my map would be lean but you could use it as Start. If you are interested..


Cheers
Michael Smith
Reply
Old Mar 17, 2007 | 04:12 PM
  #11  
Dave 88 A.E's Avatar
Senior Member
Tenured Member 10 Years
 
Joined: Jul 2003
Posts: 297
Likes: 0
From: Scranton, Pa
Michael if you don't mind I could probably use that map just to get a starting point. I would be very greatful.
Reply
Old Mar 18, 2007 | 12:18 AM
  #12  
Michael Smith's Avatar
Rotary Enthusiast
Tenured Member 10 Years
 
Joined: Feb 2004
Posts: 778
Likes: 0
From: North Queensland Australia
Thumbs up

OK when I get home I will drag the map out of my car now don't forget I have 1000cc secondary injectors you will need to add more fuel if your secondary injectors are smaller. It will get you running. Still looking for time to tune my car better. I am too busy with life and software..
Cheers
Michael Smith
Reply
Old Mar 18, 2007 | 02:05 AM
  #13  
Dave 88 A.E's Avatar
Senior Member
Tenured Member 10 Years
 
Joined: Jul 2003
Posts: 297
Likes: 0
From: Scranton, Pa
yeah i just need a map to give my friend an idea on how to do the tuning. I mean he can tune really well when it comes to air-cooled vw's but he really has never messed with rotaries.

Also i need to try and keep up with his beetle. 277 whp in an 1800lb car.
Reply
Old Mar 18, 2007 | 03:01 AM
  #14  
signofinfinity's Avatar
Coyote
Tenured Member 05 Years
 
Joined: Nov 2004
Posts: 953
Likes: 0
From: Malta. Europe
air cooledd vw is not rotary.....totally different ball game. expensive tool to learn to tune..... be carefull my friend....
Reply
Old Mar 18, 2007 | 06:15 AM
  #15  
Michael Smith's Avatar
Rotary Enthusiast
Tenured Member 10 Years
 
Joined: Feb 2004
Posts: 778
Likes: 0
From: North Queensland Australia
Talking

OK as promised fresh from my car. It runs ok but rich and the timing is not aggressive but it is very functional. I would suggest you run my Rotary Pulse Converter over the map to rough up a richer map. On my map the secondary skip is set too 1 you will need this for the converter. The converter can work out fueling for different injector sizes. It can be found at the bottom of my Freqgengui web site..

Now with Rotary engines ALWAYS TUNE FROM RICH to your target AFR which is always RICHER than a BOINGER of you want it to live long and strong.

Cheers
Michael Smith
Attached Files
File Type: wmf
18_3_07.wmf (16.0 KB, 133 views)
Reply
Old Mar 18, 2007 | 08:09 AM
  #16  
jcfrx7's Avatar
Thread Starter
Senior Member
Tenured Member 10 Years
 
Joined: Jul 2003
Posts: 296
Likes: 0
From: Port Saint Lucie
Originally Posted by Michael Smith
I have a simlar engine with 1000cc secondies my map would be lean but you could use it as Start. If you are interested..


Cheers
Michael Smith
Sorry for not replying faster. But is that I have been working on the car. Its running but Iam still trying to get it to idle just right. About your map I will try this today and see if it runs better. Now a question ... If I wanted to change the boost pressure to a lower pressure how do I do this. Quote me if Iam wrong Control/Boostpressure valve position table and if I wanted only 10 psi is it 111 for rpm values and then change the over boost to 10psi?

Thanks
Juan
Reply
Old Mar 18, 2007 | 09:04 AM
  #17  
jcfrx7's Avatar
Thread Starter
Senior Member
Tenured Member 10 Years
 
Joined: Jul 2003
Posts: 296
Likes: 0
From: Port Saint Lucie
I used the calculator and converted the map you provide. Is this ok?
Attached Files
File Type: wmf
map1_1.wmf (16.0 KB, 164 views)
Reply
Old Mar 18, 2007 | 02:19 PM
  #18  
Dave 88 A.E's Avatar
Senior Member
Tenured Member 10 Years
 
Joined: Jul 2003
Posts: 297
Likes: 0
From: Scranton, Pa
Originally Posted by signofinfinity
air cooledd vw is not rotary.....totally different ball game. expensive tool to learn to tune..... be carefull my friend....

And thats the reason i asked for a base map so we can look at it and see what is done diferently. I plan on running the afr pretty rich just to be on the safe side.
Reply
Old Mar 18, 2007 | 05:11 PM
  #19  
jcfrx7's Avatar
Thread Starter
Senior Member
Tenured Member 10 Years
 
Joined: Jul 2003
Posts: 296
Likes: 0
From: Port Saint Lucie
All right, its running and pretty good. I got it to idle and with no load I reved it from 1000 to 4000 rpm slowlly to see if there was any hesitations and nope it was pretty clean. I havent taken it out yet but I will plan it next week end. Thanks Michael you are the man.

Juan
Reply
Old Mar 18, 2007 | 05:23 PM
  #20  
jcfrx7's Avatar
Thread Starter
Senior Member
Tenured Member 10 Years
 
Joined: Jul 2003
Posts: 296
Likes: 0
From: Port Saint Lucie
Well I was really anncious to drive it so I drove it arownd the block just after sending the last post. Very nice and clean all the way trough 5000 rpm. I do not know how much the boost came up because I was not paying attenccion to the gage. But I did hear the BOV go off after shifting. As for the idle it did not stayed were I set it because wen I pulled back on the drive way it shut off. I started it again abd it woul'd hold Idel ans shut off. I believe that something changed .... I will look in to it next week end ..... I am diying to finish this long going proyect. My next step is paint and the dyno. Allmost done. Thanks again Michael

Juan
Reply
Old Mar 18, 2007 | 05:27 PM
  #21  
jcfrx7's Avatar
Thread Starter
Senior Member
Tenured Member 10 Years
 
Joined: Jul 2003
Posts: 296
Likes: 0
From: Port Saint Lucie
Pictures of the proyect.
Attached Thumbnails Is this map ok-img_0394.jpg   Is this map ok-img_1166.jpg   Is this map ok-img_0040.jpg  
Reply
Old Mar 19, 2007 | 06:23 AM
  #22  
Michael Smith's Avatar
Rotary Enthusiast
Tenured Member 10 Years
 
Joined: Feb 2004
Posts: 778
Likes: 0
From: North Queensland Australia
Talking

I would check that your idle control, BAC on your manifold is stuck. Mine did the same just pull it off and clean it. I pulled mine off and RP7 or CRC it clean then lightly oil it with 2 stroke oil. Mine has been working great for 3 years. The map looks better but you need to check your AFR's Get a lend of a wideband and check the AFRS before doing too many miles. Mine Idles good but like all rotors you need to warm it up . Check for vaccum leaks too.

Cheers
Michael Smth

Last edited by Michael Smith; Mar 19, 2007 at 06:28 AM.
Reply
Old Mar 19, 2007 | 08:49 AM
  #23  
jcfrx7's Avatar
Thread Starter
Senior Member
Tenured Member 10 Years
 
Joined: Jul 2003
Posts: 296
Likes: 0
From: Port Saint Lucie
Can the stock BAC could be used with the wolf? I do not have a BAC connected to the engine yet.
Reply
Old Mar 21, 2007 | 04:23 PM
  #24  
Michael Smith's Avatar
Rotary Enthusiast
Tenured Member 10 Years
 
Joined: Feb 2004
Posts: 778
Likes: 0
From: North Queensland Australia
My map does have idle speed control enabled you need to place a diode across the BAC( its in the manual) and wire it up and it will all work with the settings already programmed into the map no changes required.

Cheers
Michael Smith
P.S. Idle control is a free option with this package..

Originally Posted by jcfrx7
Can the stock BAC could be used with the wolf? I do not have a BAC connected to the engine yet.
Reply
Old Mar 21, 2007 | 06:43 PM
  #25  
jcfrx7's Avatar
Thread Starter
Senior Member
Tenured Member 10 Years
 
Joined: Jul 2003
Posts: 296
Likes: 0
From: Port Saint Lucie
All right !!!!!! Finally the car Idles. Thanks again Michael. I worked on it last night and could not get it. So I tried today and went step by step on the manuals schimatics in wich I found a couple of this wrong. Now is time to take it to the Dyno for some tunning. I will drive the car to see if everything is still good and Ill keep it posted. I know I am problebly far from finishing this proyect but I know I can do it.

Lots of thanks
Juan
Reply



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 06:40 AM.