Wolf 3D Anyone else having horrible luck with Wolf systems?
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11-08-04, 09:58 AM
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I wouldn't run them period. They say they're meant to be run with MSD 6as. I have msd 6as run to them, and they still suck.. ive seen some people get good results with the hvc coils though.
i dont know why people bother upgrading coils, just use tII coils
i dont know why people bother upgrading coils, just use tII coils
11-08-04, 03:42 PM
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I have a msd 6a and blaster II coil for each leading plug, and I run blasters II for each trailing with stock plugs 9s. I did the ignition setup 6 months and it worked great so I dont think thats the problem, and I didnt see any errors . I going to try to get my file on there. Your maps look good, I have a large street port w/ a T04r. How close is your setup, because I might try your map.
11-08-04, 05:22 PM
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I have used msd blaster ss coils without any issues. I have used them on honda's with 600+ hp without issues. I have also seen many 6 and 7 sec cars making over 1200hp with the same coils.
You probably got a bad batch as that's not unusual with msd.
As for the fuel regulater you want one that's one to one not rising rate.
You probably got a bad batch as that's not unusual with msd.
As for the fuel regulater you want one that's one to one not rising rate.
11-08-04, 05:37 PM
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Originally Posted by enzo250
I have used msd blaster ss coils without any issues. I have used them on honda's with 600+ hp without issues. I have also seen many 6 and 7 sec cars making over 1200hp with the same coils.
You probably got a bad batch as that's not unusual with msd.
As for the fuel regulater you want one that's one to one not rising rate.
You probably got a bad batch as that's not unusual with msd.
As for the fuel regulater you want one that's one to one not rising rate.
11-08-04, 07:50 PM
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Originally Posted by ULTIMATERX7
I have a msd 6a and blaster II coil for each leading plug, and I run blasters II for each trailing with stock plugs 9s. I did the ignition setup 6 months and it worked great so I dont think thats the problem, and I didnt see any errors . I going to try to get my file on there. Your maps look good, I have a large street port w/ a T04r. How close is your setup, because I might try your map.
11-08-04, 10:23 PM
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my labtop is having some issues but I 'm tring to fit it. Hopefully by tomorrow I will have my maps up. I saw that you had your staged injection up high. Have you had any lean or rich spots in between your upper load points.
11-09-04, 02:36 PM
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wow that map is rough.
things i see wrong:
- I'm gonna take a guess here and say your car runs like **** until its warmed up (your engine temp compensation map is virtually useless)
- your throttle pump settings are flat across the board
- your ignition map is a plain old mess. id take the one from my map to use if i was you, same with the trailing split
- nothing below 15 psi (if youre using the standard 23psi load range) has any midrange compensation for your torque peak on your fuel map
- your fuel economy is going to suck since your secondaries are always on (50% up until boost when they come on harder) other than that the staging you have should be pretty smooth
was the fuel map tuned on a dyno?
it looks like it needs a bit of fine tuning. with a large street port and a to4r it looks like there should be more fuel in the midrange. what kind of injectors are you running? what about fuel pump/regulator?
things i see wrong:
- I'm gonna take a guess here and say your car runs like **** until its warmed up (your engine temp compensation map is virtually useless)
- your throttle pump settings are flat across the board
- your ignition map is a plain old mess. id take the one from my map to use if i was you, same with the trailing split
- nothing below 15 psi (if youre using the standard 23psi load range) has any midrange compensation for your torque peak on your fuel map
- your fuel economy is going to suck since your secondaries are always on (50% up until boost when they come on harder) other than that the staging you have should be pretty smooth
was the fuel map tuned on a dyno?
it looks like it needs a bit of fine tuning. with a large street port and a to4r it looks like there should be more fuel in the midrange. what kind of injectors are you running? what about fuel pump/regulator?
11-09-04, 03:57 PM
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My lastest map is very rough because I just rebuild my engine will a larger ports and new injectors. My fuel system is a cosmo pump, standard lines to engine, 550s and 1680s, to a raising rate (one to one ratio) fuel regulator. I was thinking about setting my regulator at a set psi(not have it increase with boost), is that good or bad? My staging was set that way because it took to long to get to 100%. I didn,t want the staging to change while I was in high boost. Your right about the warm up. I have not been able to fine tune the fuel map I start rich and clean it up from there. Unfortunely the motor expired again before I could clean it up. What is the throttle pump.Thanks for your advise
11-09-04, 08:24 PM
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you want a rising rate at 1:1 to balance out the fuel to the boost thats pushing on it.
if i set my fpr to 30 psi and ran 20 psi of boost, thats only effectively 10 psi of fuel pressure.
throttle pump is for the transient sensor (TPS) to put more fuel in when you step on the gas to compensate for the intake openning fast.
I'll make some changes to your map and post it back tomorrow that should help you with starting and other rough areas. don't expect it to be a cureall itll help a lot though.
if i set my fpr to 30 psi and ran 20 psi of boost, thats only effectively 10 psi of fuel pressure.
throttle pump is for the transient sensor (TPS) to put more fuel in when you step on the gas to compensate for the intake openning fast.
I'll make some changes to your map and post it back tomorrow that should help you with starting and other rough areas. don't expect it to be a cureall itll help a lot though.
Originally Posted by ULTIMATERX7
My lastest map is very rough because I just rebuild my engine will a larger ports and new injectors. My fuel system is a cosmo pump, standard lines to engine, 550s and 1680s, to a raising rate (one to one ratio) fuel regulator. I was thinking about setting my regulator at a set psi(not have it increase with boost), is that good or bad? My staging was set that way because it took to long to get to 100%. I didn,t want the staging to change while I was in high boost. Your right about the warm up. I have not been able to fine tune the fuel map I start rich and clean it up from there. Unfortunely the motor expired again before I could clean it up. What is the throttle pump.Thanks for your advise
11-09-04, 08:28 PM
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Originally Posted by nyt
you want a rising rate at 1:1 to balance out the fuel to the boost thats pushing on it.
if i set my fpr to 30 psi and ran 20 psi of boost, thats only effectively 10 psi of fuel pressure.
throttle pump is for the transient sensor (TPS) to put more fuel in when you step on the gas to compensate for the intake openning fast.
I'll make some changes to your map and post it back tomorrow that should help you with starting and other rough areas. don't expect it to be a cureall itll help a lot though.
if i set my fpr to 30 psi and ran 20 psi of boost, thats only effectively 10 psi of fuel pressure.
throttle pump is for the transient sensor (TPS) to put more fuel in when you step on the gas to compensate for the intake openning fast.
I'll make some changes to your map and post it back tomorrow that should help you with starting and other rough areas. don't expect it to be a cureall itll help a lot though.
11-09-04, 09:30 PM
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I've been telling Gary NOT to use the rising rate fuel pressure. Why would you want something outside of your ECU compensating for fuel? And the more people I talk to that are making big horsepower, seems nobody uses rising rate with boost.
I've been of the opinion that rising rate fpr's are left over from habits of days gone by, with piggy-back computers that just don't quite get it done. But with something as powerful as a Wolf, wouldn't you want to keep everything external to it at a set baseline, and let the Wolf do all the fueling compensation? Otherwise you just enter one more variable into the equation.
I've been of the opinion that rising rate fpr's are left over from habits of days gone by, with piggy-back computers that just don't quite get it done. But with something as powerful as a Wolf, wouldn't you want to keep everything external to it at a set baseline, and let the Wolf do all the fueling compensation? Otherwise you just enter one more variable into the equation.
11-09-04, 09:36 PM
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yeah a rising rate is retarded and not nearly as precise a measure as a wolf or other high tech ecu. you want 1:1 to compensate for vacuum and boost so that you have the same pressure difference between the fuel and the intake.
as for how much power im making in reply to the other post, I have no idea. I'm tuned to 23 psi but only run about 20.
I'm switching to a t61 instead of a gt-40 so I'm going to have to add some fuel up top.
as for how much power im making in reply to the other post, I have no idea. I'm tuned to 23 psi but only run about 20.
I'm switching to a t61 instead of a gt-40 so I'm going to have to add some fuel up top.